Women, Men and steroids.

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Oh you "+1" ed only for that part, eh? What about the other parts pundingmouse wrote in several posts here? You didn't like any of it eh? because it hits a nerve

And btw, just to clarify, I am not criticizing Shneek's habit for buying male models calenders, I am criticizing her double standard thinking. She can buy all the calenders in the world but i believe it is hypocritical to criticize the media and its role in anorexia among women while buying those stuff- this is all what I am saying.

I still believe the m/f ratio of sexual objectification is quite slanted in the media, and culturally more of an emphasis on the physicality of females(I'm including the modesty levels decreed in some instances here also.) You also have to choose your battles wisely. There always seems to be a celebration of the ideal body types, and they aren't always realistic ones. Are you advocating clothing the ancient Greek statues also because of the genitalia size promoted for the male ideal?

I didnt buy it. As mentioned, I got it as a gag from a tool company, that were accused by feminists to be "anti-female" because of them offering sexy women calendars. So to proof people, that they dont want to treat genders unequal, the year afterward started to have an sexy female male AND an sexy male calendar as well so that women can no longer disadvantaged by them. They distributed them free in the companies, buying their tools and materials. Whyever, while the female calendars got away pretty fast in our company, the male calendars were not as well demanded by my coworkers. ^^ I thought of it more as a funny at coworkers and all that typical female calendars you always see in building companies. ^^ As well I liked the idea of the company, because normally when companies are accused like that, you simply get dumb excuses or lame attacks by the company, while the simply said: "Ok, if they think that promotes unequality, we agree with that. So here we present our sexy males to promote feminism and equality!" ^^ I found the idea good to show, that you can talk about that stuff as well in a funny way, and dont need to be fighting about every piece of nonsense. ^^

I thought I had already turned it into "issuing", sorry if a whiner fled me. Didnt mean to hurt someones emotions. Didnt know for that gender roles stuff and wouldnt care for it either. If someone tells me to shut up, I´d ask him if he thinks to be the pope, and even when, if he can explain me, why I should listen to that guy. I know the term whining only from computer games forums, where its a normal term for people that are whining all the time, because of them feeling important then. You normally recognize that, when they start to whine, about stuff, thats not even affecting them. "So I dont play that myself, but still I want to whine about it..."

It's not as slanted as you are having in mind, and plus this doesn't justify anything, two wrongs doesn't make a right.




Why always bringing up ridiculous comparisons? There's nothing abnormal in the 'genitalia size' of ancient Greek statues (they're always portrayed in flaccid form) unless you are talking about Satyr which is a mythical creature, but all nude "human" Greek statues don't portray abnormal sizes of penis - so what's the meaning of all this?

In fact, Greek statues of male humans (or gods) portray realistic and healthy athletic bodies.

Lifted from www.straightdope.com but I've seen other references.

From this vast array of XXX-rated artwork we can make a few deductions about Greek aesthetic preferences, genitaliawise (here I mainly follow Kenneth Dover's landmark study Greek Homosexuality, 1978): (1) Long, thick penises were considered--at least in the highbrow view-- grotesque, comic, or both and were usually found on fertility gods, half-animal critters such as satyrs, ugly old men, and barbarians. A circumcised penis was particularly gross. (2) The ideal penis was small, thin, and covered with a long, tapered foreskin. Dover thinks the immature male's equipment was especially admired, which may account not only for the small size but the scarcity of body hair in classical art. A passage from Aristophanes sums up the most desirable masculine features: "a gleaming chest, bright skin, broad shoulders, tiny tongue, strong buttocks, and a little prick."

Another article...here

What is so ridiculous about this comparison?

Oh yop, greeks that adored male bodies even more then female ones, and their realistic imaginations.



I am sure, you can tell me about the difference of that and my calendar? ^^

Current media example: the female anchors of Fox News vs the male anchors.

= a natural penis! Well, the natural penis is not necessarily small, but it's usually small and thin in flaccid form which is how often portrayed in Greek statues. And the natural penis isn't circumcised.

So what's your point again?


http://www.buffalo.edu/content/dam/www/ ... ermes1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ErL1zyP8SAc/T ... 850%29.jpg

http://www.hinsdale86.org/staff/jroller ... reekS3.jpg


https://www.google.com/search?q=greek+s ... h&tbm=isch


They all have normal sizes and normal athletic physiques.

A natural penis much smaller than the male average. Shouldn't you be ranting about their distaste in body hair, anyway?

And you haven't offered any evidence that my particular male examples were evidence of being a "roid buff".

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Wuerth-Maenner-K ... ~60_58.JPG

If you look closely, the model's body is more sculpted and less meaty than the Apollo's body, but yes it's similar since that male model in particular isn't that buff.

But there are way more sculpted men on the calenders you own:
http://www.starkalender.de/motiv/erotik ... 1&top=200&

Your other varieties of preferences don't nullify your preference for roid buffs or extremely ripped bodies you showed earlier, MrsMajor. Most people have varieties of preferences, you can find plenty of guys who like natural bodies yet also like fake bodies like Pamela Anderson.



You posted plenty of pics of muscular guys before and they all had very huge physique and extremely ripped- plus you complimented a member's body in a thread for having an obviously roid body (and you know who and where). So come on, stop denying, we're not idiots.

Also, it's not just about steroids, but also about other nasty stuff like fat burners, HGH, testosterone injections which help to get the ripped form.


And I have no problem with their distaste for body hair - that's purely cultural and has no effect on health.... and this is irrelevant for this thread.

If he walked by me, my honest reaction would be to do more than glance. Shake your fist all you want.

I'm sure if Pamela Anderson (or a younger, more relevant model) bounced by in front of you you'd turn away in distaste. More power to you.

And oh Shneek,

I am doing this every weekend:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf233577-0-120.html

At college I was thought gay for a while because I didn't make any reaction to such women with fake boobies.
"Guy: Oh gosh! Did you see that??!
Me: Saw what?"

I dont own that? Why are you telling lies, about stuff I would own, that I dont own? Dont you think, I know the pictures hanging on my wall?

What would you feel, if I simply took a picture and told you that you would like that? Would you think that this would be a sign of me being completly unpolite and additional an lier?

Why do you need to lie? How shall people be able to respect your oppinions, if you are lying all the time? Fir a thread, that you create to fool people like an 8 year old doing a belljoke, then you lie about what I would own?

I do not understand, why you think, that people should have interest to talk to you, when you are lying? Why should someone want talk to you about a certain topic, when there is a chance, that what you tell is anyway nonsense, and so you cause yourself that its a wasting of time for people to talk with you? Dont you know, how many people already have you on ignore, because of them thinking that?