Proof that aspies can have successful relationships
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I agree, especially that the OP is very very very young. If he could make it that young, then that only means that he has less troubles than many of us.
It's not really out of the norm for a 19 years old guy to get a girlfriend, most NT guys would be the same at this age.
Sorry, but I can't personally find this thread encouraging, not even a bit, I can't relate per se, I am not saying he didn't have difficulties but his case is totally different than mine, he's 10 years younger and he's probably 10 years in relationship-wise ahead of me already. Unintentionally, the thread did the opposite effect, to me at least.
Anyways, congrats for the OP.
I'm 22, have had a relationship since I was 17, and have a severe case of AS, not a "mild" case. The fact that I have a severe case doesn't prohibit my ability to have a relationship. There are people who are diagnosed with classic autism that have relationships. I very much doubt that I "have less troubles than many of us".
It's not about being "ahead" of people relationship-wise, its about there being the possibility of finding someone who fits you despite your AS. My boyfriend fits me amazingly, even with all my problems. He has to deal with a lot, and I feel incredibly guilty about everything he has to do for me. But we have a relationship despite those. The fact that he'd probably be qualified as a "mild" case of AS (definitely has impairments, definitely has far less than I do), helps us in particular, despite the fact that AS/AS relationships have downsides.
I wasn't looking for a boyfriend, I wasn't trying to date or hoping to find someone, I just was being myself and someone showed up, who despite all my social, emotional, sensory, and monetary challenges is a good fit for me. Someone who supports with me when I lose the ability to speak, deals with me when I have daily meltdowns, goes to the store and cleans the apartment for me when sensory issues are keeping me from doing so, and takes care of me when I can't take care of myself.
Your story can inspire hope for those who are still in schools/universities/colleges, and not the 30s adults.
I wouldn't be able to have a relationship with just anyone. There is a lot preventing me from having relationships, from the fact that I have the emotional intelligence of a toddler in some manners, to the fact that I have no idea of how to develop a relationship with someone into a friendship or any idea how to read body language, to the fact that simply being in public is a problem for me and I've yet to see even someone on this board with more severe olfactory issues than I have. But none of these matter in my relationship, we do have to work at it, just like every relationship needs to be worked on; the fact that I'm disabled does cause different challenges, but in the end, we're happy together and love each other, and willing to do what each other needs [when its something we can do].
It's not about either severity or functioning level, its about people. We are people, and there are other people out there who can and will love us. There is hope, there is a chance, there is a possibility there rather than an impossibility.
However, I'm a strong supporter of people not actively trying to date, and not actively looking for relationships. From what I've seen the best ones come despite the fact that you're not trying.
I still can't relate to your story as a hope source, nor it makes me more bitter or anything like that, but I am just indifferent.
Your case is still too different for several reasons, the most obvious one is age.
Ok, you were 17 back then, you were at high school or university , you had to interact with a lot of people at this phase of life and you were lucky enough to meet your mr.right among them.
I am in a totally different phase of life, it's another world, the possibility that you are talking about is much less probable (less available singles,less new people to me,people of my age pool more experienced, more stuck to work-home routines) at my phase of life.
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I found your post interesting, until I saw the word "boyfriend". I think you are a young woman. Things are different for men than for women if we talk about autistic men trying to find a girlfriend, or where the relationship failed.
I'm an autistic woman, with an autistic man as a boyfriend. He has a relationship with me too. Yes, I'll agree that he's more mild than many of the people on these forums in some manners, and not at all in others. But its not just my relationship with him, its also his relationship with me.
There are also the male aspies that I know, like the one who is married with three kids. He met his now-wife in person the first time when he was 38, with them having originally met on IRC. He's also much older than I am, and was much older when they met. That particular relationships is a very successful AS/NT relationship because she's such a great NT for aspies, whether or not they're romantically involved with her - she could be hired as an NT-aspie translator because she's so good at i.
And things aren't nearly as different as you are assuming they are. Females vary too, we're not all stereotypical. I'd agree with the people who are saying that there is a difference in age, but not in gender. It is easier to start relationships when you're college aged than when you're in your 30s, but I've definitely seen successful aspie relationships starting in their 30s.
*laughs*. Not at all. A man who thinks he has no problems tends to be way too egotistical to be worth interacting with to that degree.
I find this sort of thing very inspiring. I don't fear relationships now because I've been round the block a couple (of dozen) times, but when I first started looking for love I despaired of getting anywhere. When I came out and realised I'd been looking for the wrong gender, I felt a huge relief. It'll be easier now! ...and it wasn't. Being gay makes dating much harder, because if you assume someone you meet is straight you'll (a) usually be right, and (b) will cause no offence. Neither is true if you're after a homosexual relationship, and this is the fundamental reason why gay bars and clubs exist.
But still, I got there.
There are two ways of looking at this sort of discussion when you're still in that despairing stage. Some of us find it nothing but a reminder that other people are succeeding while we are failing. Others hear about how people have struggled and managed to win through, and this gives them the hope that if they keep trying they'll get there themselves. The main difference is that the first group have given up - it takes effort to keep trying, and it hurts. If it's impossible, there's no need to keep trying. They don't want to hear that it isn't impossible, because that means they choose to remain miserable. They want to hear about how their condition is hopeless and they are destined never to love. They don't want to be this way, but they want to change it even less.
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I've never dated a man who was entirely problem-free. Two of them had ADHD, two of them had Asperger's and one suffered from dysthymia and attachment disorder. My current partner is a classic ADHD case, although he refuses to admit it, and drives me up the wall with his constant inattention and hyperactivity. I knew this before we entered into a relationship, but it wasn't an obstacle to getting together. Don't think that all womankind would automatically reject you because of your problems.
Everyone has a past, possible issues, live experiences, education he or she has been gone through, friends and enemies, he or she had. A man with really no issue is an utopia, in my opinion. So wanting or demanding a man without issues is beyond realism. If you meet someone, the issues aren't visible the most of the time; later on, if you know him/her better, they may get visible. I wish women be more aware of it.
Being autistic or not is not a criterium to reject or accept someone. I know a woman with AS I could have a relationship with, but she already has a relationship. For each woman with ASD (AS, PDD/NOS, classic autism) there are 4 autistic men. For each NT woman there is also one NT man. This means, that autistic women could date autistic men, but not vice versa. There are too few autistic woman. I wouldn't mind to have an autistic girlfriend, but there is one that I know well.
You can't be happy for them instead? They would certainly be happy for you if the situation were reversed...
Don't forget that some autistics lack Theory of Mind.
Their own feelings are what matter them most, because they can't process the happiness/sadness of others.
That's not an excuse.
ToM is related to empathy - intuitively perceiving the feelings of others, not sympathy which is actually caring about them once you know what they are.
And that, my friends, is the whole point: lack of ToM. I have a lack of ToM. So if a woman discovered a boyfriend to be autistic, she foresees problems, because of lack of ToM, if she didn't already experience that immediately. The most frustrating is that there are even NT men (having a relationship) that even has less empathy than I myself have. But that was way later visible than at first sight.
In the meantime I am 45 (I became 45 a week ago). Isn't it time to accept my fate? Also when you read my messages in this topic? If I have been failing for 30 years, isn't it realistic that my situation is hopeless, and will get more hopeless when I grow older?
There is one thing I start wondering. I wonder in what countries you live. If in the United States in what states then (Texas, California, New York, Massachusetts, etc.)? What are general people's view about autism? What do they think of autistics of the opposite sex that they know well? In the Netherlands, at least in the neiborhood where I live (Twente, or Enschede), women think twice before they start a relationship with autistics.
If it is about seduction, it is the man that must seduce a woman, not the other way around. So autistic and shy NT men are out of luck. My misogynism came from there: it is partly women's fault that men stay single, because their misinterpretations of absence of signals from men ("Oh, that handsome man is not responding, then he is not interested. Why bother about him any longer? I give up" these are women's thoughts which are destructive for men). Men are generally not good at it, and certainly not autistic men.
So... what is the general opinion in, say, United States? In United Kingdom, Sweden, France, Germany, whereever you come from?
Last edited by hans66 on 26 Aug 2011, 5:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
This. I just haven't said anything.
But ask yourself why? I'm in the same situation as you...don't have a girlfriend...but I read a thread like this, and I find hope and encouragement.
And yes, I've read the posts where you list all the things wrong with you, MR20. But you don't seem willing, or motivated, to change the things you have control over.
What do you mean by 'special'?
Guys don't want autistic girls. They aren't very good girlfriends.
Not true. I have AS and I'm a pretty damn good girlfriend.
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