what is this 'bad boy' stereotype all about?

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16 Sep 2011, 1:41 am

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The other day, I opened the door for a woman and she told me to just let it close...that she would get it. Yeah, that's right I was actually nice to a woman, despite this forum's accusations that I'm a misogynist. She in turn treated me like sh**. So to the sisterhood and white knights, how are you going to defend this woman's shameless behavior?


not to brag(big hit im bragging :wink: ) but i opened the door for a nice looking red head girl at college about a week ago smiled at her and motioned her in and after class she gave me her number

we talked, she not my type and we dont share any of the same interests but it just goes to show u dont hav to be these sterotypes women (and men) often fall for to be attractive

im friends with women who fall head over heels for geeky-nerds, and men who find judgmental crazy women sexy, i also know women who pick men solely based on looks and men who pick solely based on a persons mind

there is no right way this whole relationship thing works


I love girls with red hair I do not think I have a type other then a girl who is all sugar spice and everything nice



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16 Sep 2011, 2:23 am

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I saw some backward cap-wearing douchebags with hot women today.

Women love bad boys.

those guys might have been the nicest men you'd ever met. are you seriously judging them by their fashion?


Yep....backwards hats and tattoos are bad boy trademarks. I admit looks and money aren't everything...I've never known a guy with these characteristics to have trouble getting girls. I should get them.

clothing and tattoos do not make a person act a certain way. perhaps they are nice and gentle men who are supportive and kind to women. THOSE are traits to cultivate.


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s**t I am gruff but as gentle as they come, I'd never wear a hat backwards cause I am old school and respect the game, but I have plenty of tattoos, I am a detached a**hole when it comes to my girlfriend but I hate myself for that and it is only because I have been broke off so bad in the past and have massive commitment issues, I simply don't know how to fix that for myself

And that is completely my fault, and hence I know it is wildly unfair to project my issues on anybody else.

People want to pigeon-hole a dude that peels down beers in 15s and blazes weed at every opportunity and likes tattoos (regardless of the hat direction?) You are welcome to do so, at least as it pertains to me. If it's the truth, I deserve it (which it is).

It's hard to project much of anything right now, but it seems like I am running full steam into the stereotype presented here. When I say the middle ground is vast I am not personally a great example, but if you think it's that black-and-white open your mind just a touch. Dudes are not "frat" or "not", and women are not "simple" or "acceptable".


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16 Sep 2011, 7:49 am

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The only thing I can think of is that a "bad boy" is a more dominant, confident, "tough" sort of man. So maybe it's that the women that like them are attracted to the alpha-ish-ness? But women who are high ranking themselves would go for someone near to or higher than their own ranks. Where as the less "popular" women might go out with "nice guys" or in other words: gammas.


Actually alpha girls are more likely to avoid bad boys. Its the nice girls that seek balance with the bad boy....

from http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/ ... s-bad-boys (thanks Moog)

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From a nice girl, aged 37
Dear Carole, Why do girls – even nice girls – fall for bad boys, even when the girls in question are 37 and should know much better? My friends and I don't understand ourselves.


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The "dark triad" of human behaviour consists of narcissism (or self-obsession), psychopathy (including callous, impulsive, thrill-seeking, risk-taking behaviour) and Machiavellianism (exploitative, manipulative and deceitful behaviour). Bad boys exhibit dark triad traits and their behaviour, according to one theory, is genetic, meaning they are unlikely to change their ways.

These types of males tend to favour short-term relationships (including one night stands) over long-term relationships. They also attempt to compete with other males by poaching mates for brief affairs.

Research has shown that a touch of evil can bring fitness benefits: these males tend to have more female partners and thus more reproductive opportunities than other males. The fictional character of James Bond is frequently cited as possessing dark triad traits.

Although the dark triad personality type appears to be universal in human society, having been identified in 57 countries, it does exact real costs – otherwise bad boys would be more common. Those exhibiting dark triad behaviour need to prey on the cooperative and unsuspecting.

If bad boys stay in one place and among the same group of humans for too long their psychopathy will be exposed. It has been predicted that this evolutionary strategy can only succeed if bad boys manage to achieve anonymity or lead an itinerant lifestyle.

Evolutionary-anthropological research on hunter gatherers, such as the !Kung San of the Kalahari, has shown that successful, risk-taking hunters – who "bring home the bacon" for the group – get the most mating opportunities.

As a single trait, successful risk-taking is universally appreciated as a sign of good genes. The combination of brave, risk-taking behaviour is frequently attractive to females in the short-term. But in the long term, although females remain attracted to bravery and risk-taking they also look for the crucial additional trait of altruism.

Thus, if given a choice, a female will apparently favour a brave altruist over an opportunistic risk-taker.

Ironically, "nice girls" may be the only females who tolerate the dark triad male personality, forgiving these naughty boys and inadvertently giving them yet another chance to misbehave.

Are you prepared to be a single mother? A bad boy son who survives all the risk-taking behaviour to reach reproductive age may make you a granny many times over, but are you really looking for quantity over quality?

You need to ask yourself this: "Do I want to be another notch on this man's bedpost, or would it be wiser to hold out for a brave altruist?"



I found this to be a pretty good analogy on women. I do think women are attracted to different things. I actually think it’s rare for woman to wait for the brave altruist. and I happen to be one of them. I have dealt with too many of those bad boys in the past and I can hardly tolerate their misbehaviours. I find everything about them upsetting and cruel to my standard. and that’s the very reason why I am hated by majority of men. because most men would fall into the category of bad boys.
While I enjoy the funny jokes and their playful ways at times, I can live without them. My life is much peaceful without it. It’s quite difficult position to be absolutely hated by these men for not giving them what they desire. Because it’s easy to give in since what pleases bad boys are rather simple.
I don’t hate nor dislike bad boys. but I just can’t stand most of them. I just favour good guys. and I don’t think bad guys are necessarily good guys. Bad guys do whatever is in their favour only. Bad guys do whatever makes them feel good and fulfilled with their desires and lust. whereas, the good guys do it for sole reason for being a good guy usually not expecting anything in return. do you see the difference on here?
Bad guys would only pay for my drinks because he wants to get me drunk for possibility of sexual encounter.
But Good guys would make sure I don’t drink and wait until the party is over to safely bring me home in his car.
Do you see the difference on here? It’s also partially because I don’t particularly have the traits that bad guys want, which is nice body and nice boobs to play with. Because bad guys would most likely never give an ugly girl a second chance.
I offer traits like harsh criticism and other stuff that they don’t really need in their already stressful and busy life that they lead.



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16 Sep 2011, 8:39 am

Many of my ex buddies are bad boys. Lots. I got to go to good parties, and had good access to females. Some were poached by my dark triad bad boy buddies, but hey, then I wouldnt have got to go to the parties in the first place.

These guys go through a lot of friends. They are always ruining their rep, and then countering, by gossiping about their enemies/ ex friends/ frenemys. They may be more inclined to steal property as well as girlfriends.

All in all its a bit like dancing with the devil, all charm, fun and allure till its time to pay the piper.

Oddly, their relationships tend to follow the exact same, ultimately self destructive path, as a relationship with drugs. Its all fun and excitement at first, then the party starts to get ugly and twisted.

And of course bad boys lifestyles are often associated with drug and alcohol use, so aint that a wee little gem



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16 Sep 2011, 9:07 am

Zinnel wrote:
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The other day, I opened the door for a woman and she told me to just let it close...that she would get it. Yeah, that's right I was actually nice to a woman, despite this forum's accusations that I'm a misogynist. She in turn treated me like sh**. So to the sisterhood and white knights, how are you going to defend this woman's shameless behavior?


not to brag(big hit im bragging :wink: ) but i opened the door for a nice looking red head girl at college about a week ago smiled at her and motioned her in and after class she gave me her number(kinda creepy)


You must be good-looking then. Girls hate it when ugly guys like me do things for them.



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16 Sep 2011, 10:01 am

tmi..



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16 Sep 2011, 10:21 am

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not to brag(big hit im bragging :wink: ) but i opened the door for a nice looking red head girl at college about a week ago smiled at her and motioned her in and after class she gave me her number(kinda creepy)


"Kinda creepy?!"

WTF Dude!? :? :wink:



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16 Sep 2011, 11:06 am

Zinnel wrote:
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The other day, I opened the door for a woman and she told me to just let it close...that she would get it. Yeah, that's right I was actually nice to a woman, despite this forum's accusations that I'm a misogynist. She in turn treated me like sh**. So to the sisterhood and white knights, how are you going to defend this woman's shameless behavior?


not to brag(big hit im bragging :wink: ) but i opened the door for a nice looking red head girl at college about a week ago smiled at her and motioned her in and after class she gave me her number(kinda creepy)



not to brag either (I am not bragging at all! I swear lll ^_^ x ) but while leaving work, I opened the elevator for four gorgeous babes (1 blonde,1 red hair, 1 fuchsia and 1multi-color) , and they all almost fainted and wanted to take me to their homes so badly, I rejected all of them because none was of my type, so I had to go back home running like this:

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yea, they don't look nice when they get furious...



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16 Sep 2011, 11:08 am

I opened the door for the cat the other day. He thanked me very much. :oops:



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16 Sep 2011, 11:15 am

I opened the door for the pizza man the other day. He had my dinner.



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16 Sep 2011, 11:26 am

Sometime today, I'm going to open the door for a woman and then slam it in her face.



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16 Sep 2011, 11:32 am

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Sometime today, I'm going to open the door for a woman and then slam it in her face.


Is that the latest PUA technique?



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16 Sep 2011, 11:33 am

Sometime today, I am going to open the sewer and say hi to my IT friend.

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16 Sep 2011, 11:35 am

SadAspy wrote:
Sometime today, I'm going to open the door for a woman and then slam it in her face.

not terribly surprised that you would cross over into actually acting on the bitterness and negativity that you carry around. women are not horrible creatures who deserve bad treatment from anyone - any more than men are such creatures.

there is no excuse for being mean to a random person. it has nothing to do with her.... but it has everything to do with your own internal issues. you're choosing to behave unacceptably. you really can't hide your inner rage from women. they will sense it and act accordingly. women will give you a wider and wider berth and be less and less likely to even be polite to you. they have no reason to be nice to you when clearly you carry around so much nastiness.

therapy is strongly recommended if you actually want to change anything, because at this poijnt you are creating your own problems.


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16 Sep 2011, 11:39 am

simon_says wrote:
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Sometime today, I'm going to open the door for a woman and then slam it in her face.


Is that the latest PUA technique?



It's the latest Chuck Norris' ass-kicking technique.



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16 Sep 2011, 11:42 am

hyperlexian wrote:
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Sometime today, I'm going to open the door for a woman and then slam it in her face.

not terribly surprised that you would cross over into actually acting on the bitterness and negativity that you carry around. women are not horrible creatures who deserve bad treatment from anyone - any more than men are such creatures.

there is no excuse for being mean to a random person. it has nothing to do with her.... but it has everything to do with your own internal issues. you're choosing to behave unacceptably. you really can't hide your inner rage from women. they will sense it and act accordingly. women will give you a wider and wider berth and be less and less likely to even be polite to you. they have no reason to be nice to you when clearly you carry around so much nastiness.

therapy is strongly recommended if you actually want to change anything, because at this poijnt you are creating your own problems.


Please tell me how this woman who wouldn't let me open the door for her knew that I posted mean things on wrongplanet.

And I've been to therapists. They can't make me attractive to women.



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