What Men Really Want

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Nope! At least, not with this Aspie...

Only clear and open words in my life were from completely desperate (suicidal) people or very angry ones. Other people just talk about sincerity, but in fact lie, haze, play games most of the time. Well what should I explain to aspie, you must know.

Like this discussion. "every one is different" jeeez not again! Sex sex sex (libido)! Thats the root of our drive for women. "Want to be loved for what am I" - are you sure? Why do you leave your parents then? They always love you unconditionaly. Well most of them do.

Be partners, have fun, rely on someone = family and good friends. No need for woman there. In fact, most of the time you will spend with friends, not wife. I don't know many wifes going fishing, climbing or chatting to pub with their husbands. But sex, thats another case.

And I would say the right question isn't what men want, but don't want. We leave women because they confine, frustrate, negate us most of the time. My opinions and observations.

Because it's impolite to duck out of an argument without saying why?

Not if you live at home for your entire life. Anyway, your parents might love you and you might love them, but even if you were asexual, you would still want to leave after a certain point - it's a matter of independance and adulthood.



I don't know any people at all who spend most of their time fishing and rock-climbing. Most people spend about half their time at home, more than anywhere else or with anyone else. And plenty of women do outdoor activities. My family has been renting cottages to tourists for about 50 years now ... the vast majority are families who come to fish. Plenty of women and girls go fishing. This is not at all exceptional, I see this sort of thing every summer and have done since I could walk:





(erm, apart from the fact no one has ever caught a fish as big as the second one in our lake)



Among other reasons, I agree.

yes, i probably is holding you back. it's possible to change your tastes to some degree, but most people do not want to.

actually, it isn't. and simply saying the discussion is pointless is intended to belittle me, as opposed to simply agreeing to disagree. he wasn't ducking out, he was trying to imply there is something wrong with me or my personal experiences.

those are good reasons to leave someone. thankfully, most women don't engage in that most of the time, but the women who act that way are not worth staying with.

hilariously, you have offered exceptions to your own rules, so you are in fact arguing that generalisations don't always apply. most people are not lying all of the time, and most people find verbal communication to be a good way to convey a message. but this time, YOU are the exception because you find it is not true for you.

so what i am seeing is that you like to use generalisations unless the generalisation doesn't include you. then of course, you are quick to demonstrate how YOU are different.

I've known plenty of women who do these things with their husbands, but even more importantly, plenty of men who don't do them. The happiest and longest lasting relationships I have seen among people I know are those in which they are both partners and friends, and spend time together enjoying shared interests, whether these are the male stereotypes you describe, or other, more unexpected pastimes. And I guarantee you that those couples are also having sex. Sure, the majority of people of both genders want good sex from a relationship, but wouldn't the ideal be someone with whom you can have good sex AND a loving friendship?

Sorry I was just joking there, hadn't read events leading up to it very carefully, I see it's not funny for you two.

I suppose it's just me that feels that way then..........if I suddenly walk away from an argument it doesn't feel quite right somehow. But OK, it wasn't the politest way to bow out either. I'm not saying I know you're wrong about the belittlement intention, but you seem very certain it was deliberate.....just saying I think Aspies often don't realise the power of their own words to offend.

Please don't take me literally, I write in metaphors and crazy examples all the time. Just to draw the picture. Fishing or not fishing does not matter! Yes I describe stereotype. It is not popular, but it is based on something relevant.

And the point is, if women do not "provide" sex, men would not try to get involved with them so much. Because it is so much trouble and ... it is possible to live without woman, but not without friends. (Now again, don't take it literally, don't start to give me examples of men from deserted islands or whatever.)

You wrote it yourself: "loving friendship". It is really great to have your wife as your best friend. But. How many of them is out there?! Would you guess? I would - cca 20% at most. More than 1/2 of all marriages are divorcing, infidelity is our second name and psychotherapy third. And now add the eruption of singles, mama hotels and stream of porn. Don't you see it in this puzzle?
All that about great loving relationship with woman is nice, I do not want to steal it from you. But hand on the chest, testosterone is the fuel that drives you from your buddies to her arms.

I like how this thread only has a few pages and the other is bloated with crap. I guess this means we aren't all that complex

I like that one! I don't have much trouble talking about my feelings, personally... sometimes that makes me feel less masculine since the world seems to expect men to be clamshells that need prying open... [shrug]

...but I'd sure like someone to validate those feelings, rather than dismissing them as unimportant.

No it means we're not really doing our bit here.

Okay, I prefer these traits in a woman:

*Worldy, cultured, well mannered.
*Good speaker / listener.
*Dresses nice.
*Looks nice (weyhey ! !).
*Can cook and make sandwiches if need be (I like to cook but don't expect to do it all).
*Hygienic
*Sex not important but physical intimacy of some kind on occasion has to be on the cards.

That's cheating, it isn't crap.

I'm still deciding what I really want......does the winning poster get a free bionic woman matching his specification?

since I am a man and must have a penis complex, I want a woman like her