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14 Oct 2012, 9:55 pm

DerStadtschutz, your personal attacks don't help the merits of your argument.
Besides, how can Wiggin defend against [edit] an opinion she never expressed? (hatred for men)
That's a staw-man argumen: a logical fallacy, that you make so you can try to knock her down.
That's foul play.


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14 Oct 2012, 10:01 pm

Isn't it just so frustrating when women have opinions? The nerve.

"Shut up and go make someone a sandwich already for f*cks sake."

Derstadtschutz definitely isn't a blatant misogynist! That sentence alone doesn't count because of whatever BS he makes up to excuse it.


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14 Oct 2012, 10:38 pm

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You are the exact thing you claim doesn't exist within feminism, but you won't admit it. you might not outright say you hate men or call for their castration, but you can't stand not to jump at any chance to accuse a man of being a "misogynist." It's f**** sickening. Shut up and go make someone a sandwich already, for f**k's sake. I'm done responding to your stupid BS.


DING DING DING we have a winner!! ! :lol: Thanks. You've said all that needs to be said.


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14 Oct 2012, 10:40 pm

Fatal-Noogie wrote:
DerStadtschutz, your personal attacks don't help the merits of your argument.
Besides, how can Wiggin defend against [edit] an opinion she never expressed? (hatred for men)
That's a staw-man argumen: a logical fallacy, that you make so you can try to knock her down.
That's foul play.


If I thought misogynist crap was something synonymous with the male sex,
I wouldn't bother pointing it out.
Fortunately, I have a much higher opinion of men than the very men who accuse me of being somehow "sexist" and deliberately and hilariously strawman my commentary on feminism.


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14 Oct 2012, 11:07 pm

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14 Oct 2012, 11:08 pm

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That's hilarious. :lol:

Reminds me of: StrawFeminists.


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14 Oct 2012, 11:27 pm

Come with us to the moon
where we'll blow up the earth


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14 Oct 2012, 11:29 pm

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:lol: I saw that one.


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15 Oct 2012, 12:03 am

To the OP I strongly dislike when men and women stick with trash for looks status or money...
I hate the fact that I see so MANY women many men deem "hot" treat their men like garbage but the men stick around and still kiss her arse because well she's hot. The men rather have a woman like that than an "ugly" or average jane that treats him and their relationship with respect and care.

I also want to add and kinda rant(sorry op). It is WAY worse to make racist snaps than sexist ones. Many men are refered to as Bs too these days. I totally understand the feeling of "needing" to insult someone MUCH better than violence or ruining them socially which many people do(I'm tempted on the social thing with a few people as I type this).

Note I am not saying that using the word b*t** in place of woman/female is ok it is by far not. Men that refer to women as b*****s I ignore.
Now a man that calls his cheating or abusive gf/wife then....


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15 Oct 2012, 12:13 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
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Can any of you provide me an example where a**hole is commonly used to refer to a female?
Until that happens any discussion about not using the b word is pointless unless we encourage members to avoid terms like a**hole as well


I thought we were not meant to be addressing each other this way in the forum anyway, let alone males or females in general in the 3rd person.


I was hoping not to have to spell this out,
but everyone has an a**hole.
The reference is not sex-specific at it's root, even if it's used that way, culturally (and not exclusively- I've heard women described as "a**holes" for rude or hurtful behavior, but "b*tch" in reference to men seems to be used only when he embodies feminine behaviors or characteristics [shudder]).
"B*tch" has a very gendered meaning, and always has.


A word in a language is defined by the way it's used. You can argue whether this is a good or a bad thing, but it's true. a**hole is almost exclusively used to refer to a male. I'll admit though while my reference to the word a**hole for this purpose wasn't as good of an example as say, the word prick, it's still perfectly applicable.

You're apparently making the argument that gendered insults are wrong because they're sexist, and you said that you agree that gender-neutral language is ideal, even when it comes to the words "he" and "she". I won't outright reject this way of thinking as having no valid merit, but it seems impractical to remove all references to gender in human language. "He" and "she" are sexist in that they refer to a specific gender, and most people wouldn't see this as a bad thing. There are differences in males and females, that's never going to change. What can change is the perception that one gender is superior to another, and change the way we think so that males and females have equal consideration in regards to individual merit.

I want gender equality too, I just don't think it's going to do any good to remove all gender references and pretend there's no difference. Saying that a derogatory term which describes a gender of a particular person is wrong because it's sexist seems to me to be fighting a fruitless battle.



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15 Oct 2012, 1:39 am

civrev wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
spongy wrote:
Can any of you provide me an example where a**hole is commonly used to refer to a female?
Until that happens any discussion about not using the b word is pointless unless we encourage members to avoid terms like a**hole as well


I thought we were not meant to be addressing each other this way in the forum anyway, let alone males or females in general in the 3rd person.


I was hoping not to have to spell this out,
but everyone has an a**hole.
The reference is not sex-specific at it's root, even if it's used that way, culturally (and not exclusively- I've heard women described as "a**holes" for rude or hurtful behavior, but "b*tch" in reference to men seems to be used only when he embodies feminine behaviors or characteristics [shudder]).
"B*tch" has a very gendered meaning, and always has.


A word in a language is defined by the way it's used. You can argue whether this is a good or a bad thing, but it's true. a**hole is almost exclusively used to refer to a male. I'll admit though while my reference to the word a**hole for this purpose wasn't as good of an example as say, the word prick, it's still perfectly applicable.

You're apparently making the argument that gendered insults are wrong because they're sexist, and you said that you agree that gender-neutral language is ideal, even when it comes to the words "he" and "she". I won't outright reject this way of thinking as having no valid merit, but it seems impractical to remove all references to gender in human language. "He" and "she" are sexist in that they refer to a specific gender, and most people wouldn't see this as a bad thing. There are differences in males and females, that's never going to change. What can change is the perception that one gender is superior to another, and change the way we think so that males and females have equal consideration in regards to individual merit.

I want gender equality too, I just don't think it's going to do any good to remove all gender references and pretend there's no difference. Saying that a derogatory term which describes a gender of a particular person is wrong because it's sexist seems to me to be fighting a fruitless battle.

I don't personally-subscribe to the bullsh*t that is liberal "separate but equal" feminism.
And I still don't think likening women to female dogs is going to help a man's chances in dating.
But I'm sure someone will attempt to tell me up is down and right is left. :)


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15 Oct 2012, 1:40 am

Mishra2012 wrote:
It is WAY worse to make racist snaps than sexist ones.


How's that?


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15 Oct 2012, 2:46 am

As to the original question, if I was with someone and they were cheating on me then yes I would dump her. I would also be hurt severely and the words coming forth from my mouth would likewise not be kind or fit for consumption on a family oriented website. At that point it's not about sexism. It's about betrayal.


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15 Oct 2012, 4:26 am

For the OP, I have a zero tolerance for BS. If a girl disrespects me, way less than cheating, the entire thing's over, immediately. When I was a kid, I put up with it, but as an adult, anyone who is going to get close to me has to be someone truly special. If she acts like that, then I mistook what she was really like and want no part of that, period.

On a side note: If she cheated on you and still wants to be with you, I'm pretty sure she's twisted enough to be actually shocked if you break up with her. It goes along with having a giant ego. Just cut it off and move on. I'm sure you'll have enough amusement in the whole ordeal (especially doing it respectfully) to help you "lick your wounds", so to speak.



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15 Oct 2012, 6:25 am

On language and its general (and gendered) use: I'm fairly sure that I've heard women referred to as a**h***s before. But more and more when a woman acts like an a**h***, I hear her referred to, instead, as a c**t. Can't get much more gendered than that.

Perhaps that's just a regional usage (northeastern U.S.A.), but I doubt it.

On original topic: of course not, that's noob behavior. I would break up with her immediately once any red flags (having to do with serious character flaws) presented themselves.



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15 Oct 2012, 8:02 am

Where I live the word "c*nt" has become a gender neutral insult, so maybe the OP should use that word instead. :wink: