Women, Men and steroids.

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I kind of see what you mean, but it's more like a fact that he is overweight. I can see he is overweight, but I don't think it necessarily means I now view him less attractive.

I have started the hairy men thread, maybe we should have a hairy woman thread? You never know there are a lot of fetishes out there

Yeah some guys like bearded ladies.

Yet It's still an unfair comparison.

Those women who feel they need to do this are influenced by the fashion industry, but I have never seen a man liking such extremely thin models. Seriously, straight men have nothing to do with this s**t.

Yet I have seen a lot of women liking steroid buffs, which makes it worse.

I like them thin, but not so thin that their ribs are visible. Kinda like how most girls like muscular men, but not so muscular that their biceps are thicker than their skulls (and they can be pretty thick!).

Actually lots of steroid buffs and bodybuilding people are gay.

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Alex Dargatz says.....

"What's that you say ? Guys can't be muscle-bound hunks without taking steroids ?
Do tell me more....."



LOL !

Robert Cheeke says :

"They're saying WHAT about guys who have thick biceps ! !??
LOL.... some people say the craziest things...."

Alex Dargatz says :

" I know... right !?"

It's a bit harder. And in absolute terms, generally the natural people are usually only, say, 200-225lbs at 6 feet or so (at the top level, even then people that are that big are accused of juicing...) while the steroid people are like 300lbs at the top level. HOWEVER, what steroids allows a normal person to do is, do really crappy training, eat crap and drink, get 4 hours sleep, and still be at the 200-225lbs "jacked" level without really putting a whole lot of effort into it. Whereas someone doing it naturally will have to put actual effort into it, and make it into an actual lifestyle choice, not just shoot a needle up, go to the gym, eat McDonalds and drink some protein shakes, and then go clubbing.

So it's POSSIBLE to get to a high level without steroids, but it's way harder. And at the absolute level in all athletics (I guess bodybuilding is athletic, lol?) steroid users will generally beat non-steroid users. That's why in weightlifting for example, they had to redo the weight classes. All the old records were set with drugs. Now (supposedly) there's less doping, but it is kinda crappy to know if you set out to do something like that, that there's a high chance you'll never get to the absolute highest level without drugs, and that someone on drugs will probably match or exceed you while probably doing less work. Exceptions exist, but as a generality, drugs are what's required to succeed.

Anyway, yes, it's possible to do things without drugs...


Actually to be fair to the ye olden time strongmen, some of them supposedly used cocaine to cut fat.

Drugs, it's where it's at.

Derek Tresize says :

"Hey hey, so this is where you guys are.
I've been looking all over for you... what's up ?
What's this I hear about people saying we're on steroids ?"

There's a big controversy going on now about people claiming to be natural being actually on steroids. Again, just because someone says they're "natty" doesn't actually make them natural.

In the end nobody will know except for you, or if you get popped on a drug test.

Derek says :

"Well, screw you.
I get checked before every contest"

Topher says :

"Yeah... it's a legal requirement for anyone competing in the natural leagues.
Smell my armpit. Go on, smell it. That's the smell of nature. "

Alex Dargatz says :

"Oh, please. I'm a world championship winning body builder and have competed in the natural leagues for years.
Why the hell would I be doing drugs, when I look this buff without them ?"

Joel Kirkilis says :

"Go ahead and Google me if you like.
I'm alllllll natural, baby."