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You're making a lot assumptions. Just because she has expectations (or at least a general idea) about what she's looking for in a partner, doesn't mean she doesn't expect her partner to have his own set of expectations.

I failed to notice the part in Halfmadgenius's post where she said she wanted a partner who she could use as a crutch for all her issues and who didn't expect anything from her in return. Where are you getting it from?

If she's anything like my partner (who has to take a tough Dominant position at her job and therefore prefers having a more Submissive position at home) "take charge when I really am unsure and indecisive" usually means being able to decide where we should eat or what movie to watch or what position to take in bed because she either doesn't care or can't decide. It doesn't mean "obey me and respect my authority as head of household while I make all major decisions for us." The former is an aspect of a true partnership, the latter is traditionalist MRA BS.

dream on. a sure-fire way to make your life impossible and painful is to demand of yourself things you can't deliver.

Stereotype much?

List these assumptions.



I didn't imply otherwise. I only stated that wanting a man to "take charge for her" while she's being "indecisive and unsure" without making it clear she would want to be prepared to do the same runs the risk of making her look a bit weak. Any MRA reading that statement from a woman would otherwise have a field day.



She said WHEN she's indecisive and unsure. That implies she wouldn't need any crutches the rest of the time. The Devil's in the details, and I'm well-acquainted with the Devil.



Maybe. Seems unlikely though, given the way she put it, I have my doubts that she's needing a man to "take charge" about what they're having for dinner or the movie they'll watch while eating it. Consider this my one assumption, if you will.



...the implication here being that it would make one's life "impossible" to attempt to be exciting and responsible at the same time? I took a girl out to dancing once, showed her a fun, exciting time while we were dancing, and then drove her home and walked her to the door to make sure she got inside safe. A textbook example of being both exciting and responsible at the same time.

Sounds to me like you just don't have what it takes to be exciting.

Replace the word in bold with "aggressive".

There's mainly three types of people: passive, assertive, and aggressive ones. "Passive" ones think they have no rights but others do. "Aggressive" ones think they have all the rights and nobody else does. And "assertive" ones believe that everybody has rights, and they represent the moderate middle-ground you speak of.

Someone didn't click on the link in the first post.

I cannot see any possible reason why you aren't covered in women right now.

Yeah. This describes most of the guys I hang out with. If you think it's impossible to be both a decent person and not a pushover, you're some kind of very messed up.

Probably has never even SPOKEN TO an NT women.
Making s**t up does not an expert make.

@Shau. I'm going to come back to my point about black and white thinking. Getting support from someone (whether it be physical or emotional, romantic or friendly) is not the same as using another person as a crutch. Your one assumption is a very big one. You're just assuming she wouldn't be similiarly supportive and/or couldn't survive without a partner's support. Most can survive perfectly well on their own but it is still nice to have others to lean on when times are tough. That's what a romantic partnership is at it's core.

As for the other bit, MRAs will assume what they want regardless of facts. They always find ways to blame women for everything (including violent things men do like rapes and killing sprees.) Nothing about the way any women poster words anything won't support the vast feminist conspiracy narrative they have in thier heads. You can't appease that which is unappeasable (save for mass genocide of all uppity women) so why try?

Makes sense.

married to one for 25+ years, many NT women I know, NT daughters etc; does that count?

Semantics.



Maybe. If I'm wrong, I'm sure she's more than capable of speaking up for herself, she doesn't need you (or that other guy) to white knight for her.



Actually I'm not. Ironically, you're assuming that's what I'm assuming. I simply stated that failure to say so....well I've already covered that multiple times now.



I have different beliefs, a different outlook on life, and stated my opinion. Do you have a problem with that? If so, feel free to ignore my posts. To add further to the irony, it seems as if you're assuming that's how everyone prefers to conduct their romantic relationships.



Maybe. I avoid feeding the flames either way. For that matter, you're assuming all MRA's are equally-deluded. There's a lot of borderline cases that can still get swayed back into the light.

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Also, confidence and arrogance are not at all the same thing. This concept goes along with the "aggressive, assertive, passive" scale. Arrogance is aggressive ("here I am, pay attention to me or else!"), confidence is assertive ("I am here"), being a pushover is passive ("I'm invisible").

I've had relationships with all three types. Two of them are exhausting to be around (aggressive and passive); the third is a joy (assertive).

Arrogance can be "in your face" and controlling and completely dismissive of the other person's needs in a relationship (inflexible). Assertiveness can be fully present and engaged and AWARE of the other person's needs (i.e., supportive) without being controlling (aware and flexible). Passivity can mean being fully inwardly focused without ever being aware of what the other person needs (unaware).

In other words, the desirable state, assertiveness, means being confident in yourself and still able to recognize and respect another person's point of view, be aware of their needs, and be willing to allow some flexibility in oneself and others.

So this is the type of behaviour you expect from your wife and daughters?
I hope they are aware of what type of husband/father they have.

Nice that your wife stuck by you despite your betamale dullness. You must be a good Cuckold for her alpha babies.........

^ merciless, mate. I approve.