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05 Dec 2020, 6:31 am

i can't help but believe that we are supposed to transcend our tribalism.



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05 Dec 2020, 6:36 am

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i can't help but believe that we are supposed to transcend our tribalism.

I feel the same.


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05 Dec 2020, 6:41 am

Me too! :bounce:



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05 Dec 2020, 8:38 am

magz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i can't help but believe that we are supposed to transcend our tribalism.

I feel the same.


But wouldn’t be cool if we still have several species of humans?



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05 Dec 2020, 8:42 am

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You are entitled to date who you would like to date.
Other people can keep their noses, if they have more than one, out of your personal business.
You are not obligated to service other people's expectations.


Thing is you are writing off millions of people, many of whom you have never met, with rules like that. Plus, I have to say you need to actually interrogate where these preferences come from. Like, I know Latinx people who talk about how weird it is to be fetishized ("sensual Latino lover/spicy Latina" BS and all that). Likewise, Asian women talk about how white men sometimes fetishize them and say "they're so feminine and submissive" (yuck). Same with black men when women say they only date them. And Asian men frequently get the "effeminate/nerd" stereotype, hence why women say that they are not attracted to them, etc. etc.

With black women as well, the stereotype is that they are rude, aggressive, masculine etc. Which is why (I'm guessing) guys say that they are not "into" them.... like you can really write off millions of women, most of whom you have never met. My two cents on the subject.


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05 Dec 2020, 8:44 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
magz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i can't help but believe that we are supposed to transcend our tribalism.

I feel the same.


But wouldn’t be cool if we still have several species of humans?


We did, at one time, and interbred with Neanderthals and Denisovans.

I wonder if prehistoric homo sapiens sapiens ever discussed attraction and preferences toward their fellow subspecies....


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05 Dec 2020, 10:04 am

Whale_Tuune wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
magz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i can't help but believe that we are supposed to transcend our tribalism.

I feel the same.


But wouldn’t be cool if we still have several species of humans?


We did, at one time, and interbred with Neanderthals and Denisovans.

I wonder if prehistoric homo sapiens sapiens ever discussed attraction and preferences toward their fellow subspecies....


And the “Hobbits”. Strangely, they all went extinct when they encountered us.

Hmm, our arrival was always a bad omen to the others.



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05 Dec 2020, 10:22 am

^ I suspect it would have created a whole porn industry.

“Hottie Homo Sapien babe, two Neanderthal studs and one mammoth”. :lol:



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05 Dec 2020, 2:06 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ I suspect it would have created a whole porn industry.

“Hottie Homo Sapien babe, two Neanderthal studs and one mammoth”. :lol:





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05 Dec 2020, 3:35 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ I suspect it would have created a whole porn industry.

“Hottie Homo Sapien babe, two Neanderthal studs and one mammoth”. :lol:




Don’t forget chimpanzees are closet reliving relatives


I.... wouldn’t want to check your browser history.



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05 Dec 2020, 7:08 pm

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I normally don't care and agree that people are entitled to have preferences. However, I find it amusing and somewhat disappointing when it has to be expressed openly as it comes across snobbish at best and racist at worst.


Yes, it really does depend on attitude.

Also, consider genetic coding.
Tribalism is overwhelmingly imprinted in DNA, whether we like it or not.

If people have to blame something, blame cultural influences *and* the evolutionary process.
"You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." 8)


one point whale-tuune made is correct though. If you grow up around people of a different phenotype then you tend to get attracted to them. This is was one of the reasons the yanks wanted apartheid in schools so the kids don't get jungle fever.


It is a complex situation, yes.



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05 Dec 2020, 7:16 pm

auntblabby wrote:
i can't help but believe that we are supposed to transcend our tribalism.


Who says?
Cultural morality?

People still have primitive instincts embedded in their DNA.
And aren't a lot of women into bad boys? :scratch:
Don't expect Tribalism to be bred out of the human genome, in a hurry. 8)

And look at all the pseudo partisan Tribalism in politics.
Humanity can't help itself. 8O



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05 Dec 2020, 8:21 pm

Whale_Tuune wrote:
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You are entitled to date who you would like to date.
Other people can keep their noses, if they have more than one, out of your personal business.
You are not obligated to service other people's expectations.


Thing is you are writing off millions of people, many of whom you have never met, with rules like that.


How many people do you want to date? 8O
"Millions" is not doable, for me, at my age. :mrgreen:

Also, consider:
There are problems with dating people outside one's culture.
I can name a few, if you want.

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Plus, I have to say you need to actually interrogate where these preferences come from.


Well, the more intellectual types, agreed.
I too am into metacognition, big time. 8)

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Like, I know Latinx people who talk about how weird it is to be fetishized ("sensual Latino lover/spicy Latina" BS and all that). Likewise, Asian women talk about how white men sometimes fetishize them and say "they're so feminine and submissive" (yuck). Same with black men when women say they only date them. And Asian men frequently get the "effeminate/nerd" stereotype, hence why women say that they are not attracted to them, etc. etc.


I have said this many times:
Overwhelmingly, most relationships are superficial, imo.
C'est la vie.

In this instance/context, people *are* often influenced by cultural characteristics.
I like the respect that Asian cultures tend to engender, within their community, as an example.
I don't see this as a problem.

However, the problem with people being fetishized is that the relationship may be based on limerence, which is being infatuated with the *image* of the person, rather than the actual person.
And "limerence", statistically speaking, never lasts.

What I have difficulty with, is why it is so difficult to appreciate the cultural contributions a person can bring to a relationship, in addition to the person themself.
Perhaps I am more multidimensional than others. 8)

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With black women as well, the stereotype is that they are rude, aggressive, masculine etc. Which is why (I'm guessing) guys say that they are not "into" them.... like you can really write off millions of women, most of whom you have never met. My two cents on the subject.


More intelligent people don't assume stereotypes to be valid without examination.
But sometimes they actually are, after investigation. EEP! 8O
Do your homework. 8)

Also, consider:
The *long term* compatibility of a couple, usually means having a similar cultural background, with similar values.
You yourself would only date a theist, as an example. :wink:
I don't think it unreasonable to find a partner that shares these things. After all, there are plenty of communication difficulties between the sexes, already. 8)



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05 Dec 2020, 8:29 pm

Whale_Tuune wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
magz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i can't help but believe that we are supposed to transcend our tribalism.

I feel the same.


But wouldn’t be cool if we still have several species of humans?


We did, at one time, and interbred with Neanderthals and Denisovans.

I wonder if prehistoric homo sapiens sapiens ever discussed attraction and preferences toward their fellow subspecies....


:mrgreen:
Well, I am sure the males did. 8)



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05 Dec 2020, 8:40 pm

Whale_Tuune wrote:
Likewise, Asian women talk about how white men sometimes fetishize them and say "they're so feminine and submissive" (yuck).


To be fair, men who exclusively date Asian women are often incapable of articulating their reasons for their attraction so it mistakenly comes across as a fetish.

I agree having an exclusive preference limits your horizons in meeting a soul mate who might be a potential life-partner. But we are conditioned by the people around us. If you are a white male and go to an all white-school and watch TV which has "hot" white girls then inevitably you are primarily attracted to white girls. This isn't a fetish. But these same guys bragging to their friends how ugly other races are is crap, just because they live in a bubble and don't realise it.

For me I lived in Asia for 3 years surrounding myself with a community and came to first appreciate the culture and values in Asia and then eventually appreciated the the diverse beauty of Asian women. The connection was both physical, cultural and spiritual.

Returning to Australia I realise that when comparing to Australian girls why so many men choose an Asian wife. I can only give my own interpretation and I think its on the same line as many other men. It's not because they are more feminine or submissive (that's wrong). At a spiritual level they are much more in tune and (I have heard many white men say this in Asia) they seem to know how to make us men connect with their happiness/joy. This is quite seperate from materialism (a common thing attributed to Asian women by jealous women who claim they are gold-diggers). They sacrifice their personal space/time to be with me. It's a very unselfish act.

The Asian women I dated always made me happy. In stark contrast the white girls I dated were so materialistic and superficial. Most valued their friends more than they valued me. It was disappointing.



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06 Dec 2020, 12:00 am

Whale_Tuune wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
magz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i can't help but believe that we are supposed to transcend our tribalism.

I feel the same.


But wouldn’t be cool if we still have several species of humans?


We did, at one time, and interbred with Neanderthals and Denisovans.

I wonder if prehistoric homo sapiens sapiens ever discussed attraction and preferences toward their fellow subspecies....
Back in the cavemen days, going clubbing to pick up chicks had a whole different meaning.