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17 Apr 2010, 11:17 pm

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I guess I'm more against Japan-ophiles, than anime alone.


I take it you don't speak Japanese, then? Neither do I, but for my next business meeting, knowing Japanese might be useful. Someday I might visit Mount Fuji, but I'm not obsessed with it though.


I have nothing wrong with people who speak japanese, its people who have no use for it and rattle off stupid phrases they've learned off anime and think they're all that.

I'm talking about nerdy european guys who often come across as arrogant know alls of everything Japan, when they have never been there or lived there or have close friends from there.

European? Believe me, you can find such guys anywhere, not just Europeans. They don't understand a word of Japanese, they just repeat from memory some phrases they have heard on those cartoons. And they insist on not watching dubbed cartoons or movies... I mean, I do that when a movie is in a language I understand, as the dubbing process may introduce errors or even censorship sometimes, but they can't understand a word of Japanese, so what does it matter if it's dubbed or not?

And there's other people who do the same not with Japanese stuff but U.S. or some other country's stuff... they are all mindless snobs who like to pretend to be something they aren't. They are equally annoying... which reminds me of an episode of "Belvedere" where he was secretly working for another family and the son was a Germanophile. Which in turn brings me to those Neo-Nazis lying around who have never been able to understand a single word in German and who probably would have been among the first ones the Nazis disposed of...
Or those who repeat the lyrics of some song in English with no idea what it actually means or how to spell it... you get the idea. The world is full of dumb people.



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18 Apr 2010, 12:31 am

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I'm fairly open, however I draw the line at people who constantly have a need to be put in line by deliberately acting out to provoke this. Not out of any idealism, simply because I can't be bothered with such people, I don't find them attractive...a turn off. However understand it is desirable to some in the BDSM community.


This^^^

There's a woman who is interested in me because I'm assertive however I hate that she wants to constantly put me in a situation where I have to be assertive with her. Plus she's a huge judgmental b***h and she's devoid any sexual desire so that's a huge no-go.



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18 Apr 2010, 12:50 am

Mikelight wrote:
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I'm fairly open, however I draw the line at people who constantly have a need to be put in line by deliberately acting out to provoke this. Not out of any idealism, simply because I can't be bothered with such people, I don't find them attractive...a turn off. However understand it is desirable to some in the BDSM community.


This^^^

There's a woman who is interested in me because I'm assertive however I hate that she wants to constantly put me in a situation where I have to be assertive with her. Plus she's a huge judgmental b***h and she's devoid any sexual desire so that's a huge no-go.


Sounds psycologically deranged, if not, a fetish.

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European? Believe me, you can find such guys anywhere, not just Europeans. They don't understand a word of Japanese, they just repeat from memory some phrases they have heard on those cartoons. And they insist on not watching dubbed cartoons or movies... I mean, I do that when a movie is in a language I understand, as the dubbing process may introduce errors or even censorship sometimes, but they can't understand a word of Japanese, so what does it matter if it's dubbed or not?

And there's other people who do the same not with Japanese stuff but U.S. or some other country's stuff... they are all mindless snobs who like to pretend to be something they aren't. They are equally annoying... which reminds me of an episode of "Belvedere" where he was secretly working for another family and the son was a Germanophile. Which in turn brings me to those Neo-Nazis lying around who have never been able to understand a single word in German and who probably would have been among the first ones the Nazis disposed of...
Or those who repeat the lyrics of some song in English with no idea what it actually means or how to spell it... you get the idea. The world is full of dumb people.


Yeah i'm sure other cultures do it to. Personally I'm proud to be a kiwi and I don't try and think i'm better than others due to apparent "knowledge" of other cultures.

If they actually know about the culture of it has a good purpose in their lives, I respect them, but not japan-o-phile ignorant fan boys. Just some skinny white geek wanting to be what he's not - something interesting.

Yeah its harsh, but i've met and associated with this sort of type enough to say its a rather accurate stereotype.



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18 Apr 2010, 12:55 am

I don't really have any big turn offs other than bad personal hygiene. I cant stand bad breath or BO. I think I can be attracted to just about anyone.



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18 Apr 2010, 12:59 am

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There's a woman who is interested in me because I'm assertive however I hate that she wants to constantly put me in a situation where I have to be assertive with her.


I knew a woman whom I suspected was like that. Another woman who is a friend also pointed out to me how women test men to see their intentions and read what's going on in their minds. It's very clever, but I think that being continually tested would grow burdensome and I don't want to spend my life walking on eggshells, or having to be someone I'm not. Relationships should be more about enjoyment than challenge or difficulty. I already have enough challenges, and if I needed more, this isn't where I'd look for them.


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18 Apr 2010, 2:59 am

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A pushover to me is a guy who is b***h slapped.


B***h slapped by you? You don't do that to guys, do you?


Don't take it litereally. "b***h slapped" and "p*ssy beaten" are terms used for a guy who lets the woman wear the pants in a relationship and ends up giving her her own way all the time too scared or "nice" to say no, while not voicing his own opinion.

It also applies to people not in the relationship, non assertiveness to others.


Whats a good solution to that though, I always make men feel 'p**** beaten', I dont know how to not. It would be ok if I was a man as then people would just think I was a nice dynamic driven guy, but in women the same characteristics are not valued and Im viewed as agrressive and arrogant :(



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18 Apr 2010, 3:06 am

Don't go too far - There are a number of guys, like myself, who particularly value strong, willful women. You may have simply been unlucky, and met either guys who like women submissive, or are not themselves strong enough to contend with you.

Beyond that generalized guess, though, we'd need more details to figure out what's going wrong. You might have some behaviors that are fueling the problem. But this probably deserves it's own thread.



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18 Apr 2010, 3:10 am

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Don't go too far - There are a number of guys, like myself, who particularly value strong, willful women. You may have simply been unlucky, and met either guys who like women submissive, or are not themselves strong enough to contend with you.

Beyond that generalized guess, though, we'd need more details to figure out what's going wrong. You might have some behaviors that are fueling the problem. But this probably deserves it's own thread.

I will make a thread



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18 Apr 2010, 8:48 am

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Whats a good solution to that though, I always make men feel 'p**** beaten', I dont know how to not. It would be ok if I was a man as then people would just think I was a nice dynamic driven guy, but in women the same characteristics are not valued and Im viewed as agrressive and arrogant :(


Again it seems the difference is, in whether you're holding ground in unfair territory, not necessarily gender, that differentiates assertiveness from being a jerk.


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18 Apr 2010, 10:43 am

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Dude, whats the deal with this? It's not an ideal; it's a reality. How do you not see the space in between? It means one day you say no, and then the next day you say yes. It's taking turns, its compromising.

Unilaterally dictating the terms of a relationship isn't being assertive, that's being a dick.

I do see the middle ground here just fine... I did mention "equilibrium" in my previous post, no?

My issue here is more with semantics, I guess. Being assertive is being a dick. You're asserting (i.e. dictating) the rules of the relationship. I don't want to be that. And if your (and i'm assuming hale's) definition of "assertive" doesn't mean that, then I guess what you're saying makes sense.


I think that's the real issue, Toad - your idea that being assertive equals being a dick, or that it means you're dictating the rules of the relationship. Telling your partner what you want isn't a bad thing - it's the basis of compromise: you can't have compromise if you can't express what you need/want. And being honest about what you need is pretty much each partner's responsibility.


What if the other person is unwilling to compromise, especially regarding sexual things?


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18 Apr 2010, 10:49 am

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I'm fairly open, however I draw the line at people who constantly have a need to be put in line by deliberately acting out to provoke this. Not out of any idealism, simply because I can't be bothered with such people, I don't find them attractive...a turn off. However understand it is desirable to some in the BDSM community.


This^^^

There's a woman who is interested in me because I'm assertive however I hate that she wants to constantly put me in a situation where I have to be assertive with her. Plus she's a huge judgmental b***h and she's devoid any sexual desire so that's a huge no-go.


Sounds psycologically deranged, if not, a fetish.

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European? Believe me, you can find such guys anywhere, not just Europeans. They don't understand a word of Japanese, they just repeat from memory some phrases they have heard on those cartoons. And they insist on not watching dubbed cartoons or movies... I mean, I do that when a movie is in a language I understand, as the dubbing process may introduce errors or even censorship sometimes, but they can't understand a word of Japanese, so what does it matter if it's dubbed or not?

And there's other people who do the same not with Japanese stuff but U.S. or some other country's stuff... they are all mindless snobs who like to pretend to be something they aren't. They are equally annoying... which reminds me of an episode of "Belvedere" where he was secretly working for another family and the son was a Germanophile. Which in turn brings me to those Neo-Nazis lying around who have never been able to understand a single word in German and who probably would have been among the first ones the Nazis disposed of...
Or those who repeat the lyrics of some song in English with no idea what it actually means or how to spell it... you get the idea. The world is full of dumb people.


Yeah i'm sure other cultures do it to. Personally I'm proud to be a kiwi and I don't try and think i'm better than others due to apparent "knowledge" of other cultures.

If they actually know about the culture of it has a good purpose in their lives, I respect them, but not japan-o-phile ignorant fan boys. Just some skinny white geek wanting to be what he's not - something interesting.

Yeah its harsh, but i've met and associated with this sort of type enough to say its a rather accurate stereotype.


In other words, you're talking about the male version of Miss Hannah Minx (from YouTube).


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18 Apr 2010, 12:10 pm

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What if the other person is unwilling to compromise, especially regarding sexual things?


Then you are not a match, and you should find someone that you are sexually compatible with.


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18 Apr 2010, 1:20 pm

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I don't mind smoking in men.

Some turn offs for me:

1)Lapdogs - no time for guys like that at all
2)Arrogant men with a superiority complex
3)Bitchy men
4)Men who like anime
5)Whiny submissive men/pushovers
6)guys who always objectify women, talk about "f***ing" and crude sexual things, and their boners and stuff
7) Narrow minded men
8. Intense personalities

Desperation, athough that comes under 1) 5) and 6)



Number 6 on you list, is also a turn off for me



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18 Apr 2010, 6:07 pm

One I forgot to mention: Adult men who live with their parents.



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18 Apr 2010, 6:25 pm

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One I forgot to mention: Adult men who live with their parents.


>_>



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18 Apr 2010, 6:48 pm

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What if the other person is unwilling to compromise, especially regarding sexual things?


Then you are not a match, and you should find someone that you are sexually compatible with.

This is a rare instance where I disagree with you, HopeGrows! 8O
I don't think it's about compatibility so much as it is dependent on experience.

Were I to apply to a new job, and list my 'desired position' a Chief Executive Officer, I probably wont get it. I have very little experience to establish me as CEO material.

Similarly, if you, Tim_Tex, attempt to assert a more advanced stage of a sexual relationship, despite your relatively small amount of sexual experience and variety, you'll have a difficult time attaining your desired outcome. You have very little experience with-which to maneuver into that situation.

The guys that are able to move quickly into a sexual relationship, or are able to go quickly into 'less classic' sexual situations are able to do it because:
1) They are very experienced with interacting with women, and have more situational/empirical knowledge to base their actions on,
2) they're very empathetic toward them, and able to read into their desires easier, allowing them to know when to advance, and when to halt, and
3) building on the prior two points, they know how adeptly illicit a feeling of trust and comfort. Sex requires a big feeling of comfort and trust, and alternative sex requires even more trust. There are few people who are able to easily let go of the trust requirement.

You can look all day for someone with-whom you can skip right over all that, but you'll be looking a very long time. A shorter route would be to get together with whomever, and progress towards more trust and adventurism by following the progression step by step, and not trying to jump-forward prematurely. As a secondary bonus, it gives a basis of experience that can be utilized if you move on to another relationship.

Most people don't wear their minor sexual preferences nor hard inhibitions, on their sleeves. Most people need to walk slowly toward something different, if they've never done it before, even if they're actually interested in it, or would enjoy it. Those who can move fast do so because the interaction between themselves and their partner is so 'in-tune' and empathetic, because at least one of the two people is very very good at guiding the other.

If you have only been with one or two women in your life, then you will probably not be able to move that fast until you have been with more women and understand them better.

In other words, your requirements are too high, and you don't generally meet the qualifications yet. You might get lucky, but that's a bad gamble.