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HisDivineMajesty
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16 Jul 2012, 1:44 pm

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EVERWHERE on this planet they are degraded, marginalised, objectified, and denigrated.


Like men, you mean? Violence against them is a form of conventional humour bought into by public television here? Women being hit in the ovaries probably isn't an acceptable thing to base several comedy shows on. But here in Europe, my money goes towards paying for comedy television shows based on the premise of men's testicles getting hurt in awful ways. You should hear women in this part of the world laugh about men being castrated or raped, then watch those same women donate money to campaigns against female circumcision. Ah, the lovely double standard. It's only gruesome if it happens to women.

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We STILL don't have rights to our own reproduction, and even in the western world we earn about 70% of what men do.


But women often have a man to count on. Women don't earn as much, but they usually don't work the most awful and dangerous jobs, and there still seems to be a consensus of men paying for collective expenses in a relationship. Plus, I'm not sure in what part of Yemen's countryside you live, but not only do women have rights to most kinds of birth control, but they're funded by taxpayers. We have taxpayer-funded abortions, taxpayer-funded sex education, and taxpayer-funded birth control pills. Not condoms, though, because men (they earn more and pay more taxes) who refuse to buy condoms are deadbeats who deserve to die very painfully. Ah, the lovely double standard.

As for the original subject of this thread, I've really stopped caring about it. It's just not worth arguing about anymore. Nice guys are beta males with a bad tactic for reproduction, and women are generally inclined to prefer men who aren't in any way like these beta males. That's all there is to say from my perspective.



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16 Jul 2012, 1:58 pm

Hey.....we should stop using the term "nice guy". It's confusing people.

[edit] Also I'd rather be a male than a female in most Islamic countries.


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16 Jul 2012, 1:59 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
there still seems to be a consensus of men paying for collective expenses in a relationship

proof please.


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16 Jul 2012, 2:14 pm

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J-Greens: Dogswithouhorses is agreeing with me by saying the world needs more feminists, but neither one of us wants to derail this thread.


Then I must strongly disagree.
The world is already flooded with feminism. If there is one issue that desperately needs more attention, focus, money and EQUALITY it is MEN'S RIGHTS. As feminsm has slowly but powerfully grown control over the last decade, men's rights have been slowly removed and villainized, everything from custody, to healthcare.



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16 Jul 2012, 2:23 pm

J-Greens wrote:
singularity wrote:
J-Greens: Dogswithouhorses is agreeing with me by saying the world needs more feminists, but neither one of us wants to derail this thread.


Then I must strongly disagree.
The world is already flooded with feminism. If there is one issue that desperately needs more attention, focus, money and EQUALITY it is MEN'S RIGHTS. As feminsm has slowly but powerfully grown control over the last decade, men's rights have been slowly removed and villainized, everything from custody, to healthcare.


and you're perfectly entitled to your misled privileged based opinion
it just has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand

which is, as predicted, now a pile of poo
if ya'll want to argue about your mra nonsense, make a topic about it instead of derailing other threads because you're bored with the subject at hand


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16 Jul 2012, 2:28 pm

J-Greens wrote:
singularity wrote:
J-Greens: Dogswithouhorses is agreeing with me by saying the world needs more feminists, but neither one of us wants to derail this thread.


Then I must strongly disagree.
The world is already flooded with feminism. If there is one issue that desperately needs more attention, focus, money and EQUALITY it is MEN'S RIGHTS. As feminsm has slowly but powerfully grown control over the last decade, men's rights have been slowly removed and villainized, everything from custody, to healthcare.


Like history has shown us all equal right movements start off with the best of intentions and eventually become overshadowed by acute minded individuals who see the answer to the oppression of some as oppressing others rather than removing the suffering of all individuals both sides. The human race has come so far on the surface, yet has changed so little on the inside. But that is for another discussion, friend. :)



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16 Jul 2012, 2:30 pm

JanuaryMan, I don't want to sound harsh here, but please DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.



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16 Jul 2012, 2:33 pm

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JanuaryMan, I don't want to sound harsh here, but please DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.


I see. So you can talk about that topic and I can't. Profound logic if I ever saw some!
Anyways, regarding nice guys:

Beware false advertisements. Nice guys don't need to tell you they are nice.



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16 Jul 2012, 2:41 pm

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Beware false advertisements. Nice guys don't need to tell you they are nice.

^truth


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16 Jul 2012, 3:03 pm

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I'm not saying you're a feminist. I'm saying that this opinion - and most women I speak to share that opinion - basically destroys any theoretical arguments for feminism based on equal treatment. Women have equal rights, but still like men who can take care of them. They want social and economic rights like it's 2012, but expect social and economic responsibility from men like it's 1950. And once again, there's a difference between your ideals and the truth. In this case, the truth is that defending other people from injustice isn't something natural, especially if they're grown men. If something really goes wrong, women can still expect preferential treatment.


I have seen the phenomenon of which you speak, and I disliked it intesnely when I was younger, I am not unaware of how it is being exploited today by those who seek to gain more privileges - rahter than seeking their rights be upheld and them upholding their responsibilities.
You won't ever hear me advocate for the rights/responsibilities coinflip-mesh thing of which you speak. They have two choices, either behave like a lady, in which case she will be treated like one, or take care of herself.

If it's unnatural, then there must be something very wrong with me. :lol:

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That's what people say. What they do is rather different. Most people would stand back and let it happen.
And I won't even say that's a bad thing. It's a human thing, and the ground rules are evident.


Ok - well then forgive me, because I have never been one of those to stand back and let it happen.
Does the group rules being evident make them right? The only thing necessary for someone to commit an atrocity is for those who are there to be silent and do nothing - they have just assisted the perpetrator through their silence and their lack of actions.


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16 Jul 2012, 3:43 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
Beware false advertisements. Nice guys don't need to tell you they are nice.

^truth


I think that goes for alot of things though

If someone says they're an expert on an issue they usualy arnt

If a woman says she hates drama, she is usualy the one who is creating it.


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16 Jul 2012, 3:56 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:
J-Greens wrote:
JanuaryMan, I don't want to sound harsh here, but please DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.


I see. So you can talk about that topic and I can't. Profound logic if I ever saw some!
Anyways, regarding nice guys:

Beware false advertisements. Nice guys don't need to tell you they are nice.


I'm the least nice guy in the world. I'm a huge douche. Yep.



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16 Jul 2012, 3:58 pm

1000Knives wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
J-Greens wrote:
JanuaryMan, I don't want to sound harsh here, but please DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.


I see. So you can talk about that topic and I can't. Profound logic if I ever saw some!
Anyways, regarding nice guys:

Beware false advertisements. Nice guys don't need to tell you they are nice.


I'm the least nice guy in the world. I'm a huge douche. Yep.

:lmao:



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16 Jul 2012, 5:38 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeys7Jfnx8&feature=related[/youtube] :lol:


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16 Jul 2012, 5:48 pm

Zinnel wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
Beware false advertisements. Nice guys don't need to tell you they are nice.

^truth


I think that goes for alot of things though

If someone says they're an expert on an issue they usualy arnt

If a woman says she hates drama, she is usualy the one who is creating it.


sure, people who claim expertise or a drama-free life-style are often full of it
right now we're just talking about another thing that rule is true for


@aspieotaku
I love the original and that one was fun too, thanks for sharing it


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17 Jul 2012, 12:13 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Zinnel wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
Beware false advertisements. Nice guys don't need to tell you they are nice.

^truth


I think that goes for alot of things though

If someone says they're an expert on an issue they usualy arnt

If a woman says she hates drama, she is usualy the one who is creating it.


sure, people who claim expertise or a drama-free life-style are often full of it
right now we're just talking about another thing that rule is true for


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I love the original and that one was fun too, thanks for sharing it
You are most welcome and here is another one on the girls side.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTfg1I1YWLY[/youtube]


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