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17 Aug 2014, 1:17 am

Parcourse trails (not a comprehensive list, I know there are others)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitness_trail

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17 Aug 2014, 3:47 am

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CK: Because if you wander into a room criticising various women for getting fat, you're going to get that sort of reaction. You should note and remember this.

You mean criticizing people? I'm willing to bet, if I only mentioned men, I wouldn't have gotten the backlash. Also I posted the exact same topic on another site and no one there got an attitude. Also, you don't know my friend's girlfriend, I do. She's a heavy smoker, she has no clue about anything going on in the world, nor does she care. It was you in fact that brought the topic to females only. If you post something in this forum about men, that is criticizing most of the time there is no backlash. If you post something that could be viewed even remotely criticizing women(in general, or ones that make bad choices) there is a backlash within two minutes and last for days on end. I've seen the male members on this forum get bullied, while the female members constantly bring up topics about equal rights and equality, yet those same members bully the male members and try to make them feel shameful. A tactic, that does not work on me. I don't really get it. Do you just go on threads hoping to find any excuse you can to argue with a male members? It certainly appears that way. *Sits and waits for you to write five whole paragraphs on how I'm wrong according to you.* Also I even mentioned myself in the topic. I guess that just went over your head.

She should send "seeking and destroy men" bots all over WP :lol:

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17 Aug 2014, 4:47 am

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The other problem is that it turns out -- not anecdotally, either, but in valid studies -- to be far harder to lose weight and keep it off than not to be fat in the first place. People who've gained significant weight and then tried to take it off often wind up fighting those pounds for the rest of their lives. Someone my size who gained 50 lbs and exercised/dieted it away has to work out much harder and each less than I do to maintain this weight. It doesn't get better with time. And at a certain point it simply isn't worth it, devoting that much of your life, and depriving yourself of pleasure so rigorously, ordering your entire life around keeping off the weight.

It really is very difficult to live healthfully in this country. Like I said, I'm lucky - I've also been able to choose to live in a place where I can walk, bike, or run to work (there's a shower in my building), and I can even decide to get my workout in and show up late at work, finish up at home. I can walk to the grocery and cafe. My daughter can ride her bike to school. These things are fairly unusual, though. The average American's commute is over an hour, and we have kids who spend hours each day on school buses. The average American also has little or no power over where the developers build houses and the cities build roads. Gym memberships aren't cheap, and neither is good home exercise equipment. (I've got a motorized treadmill precisely because I had a baby and very cold winters, and you can't push a baby in a jogging stroller (also not cheap) when it's that cold out, and frankly nobody else in the country is all that interested in accommodating mothers' fitness. But that treadmill cost me nearly $2000. Most people don't have that to spend on a home gym.)

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true. I lost weight and was on my way to getting in the best shape i'd ever been in. but then I couldn't join the military, lost my motivation and sunk into depression. I stopped counting calories, and walkind 10 miles a day in rain became too much to maintain. so I went from 290 down to 250 in 2 months then over the last year slowly back up to 280. I still tried to fight the wieght gain as much as I could. i stayed at 260 for months then 265 then 270 last 4 months I was 275. I have axnixety issues that prevent me from walking alone. MY adhd also effects it. walking 10 miles in a loop means going around my neibihood 3 times. and 3 hours, bathroom breaks is hard, but mainly I get supper bored, lonely, anxious, and embarrassed. plus I can only imagine the people are like who is this guy in the hoody who has passed our house 3 times every day.

I really wish I could afford a gym membership or treadmill. the cheap 200-400(not really cheap to me) aren't good. they are flemisy and weak. and reviews on them are aweful. I also like ones that can do elevation changes. I liked doing hill climbs at the school gym while I was there. plus having a tv in front of me or tablet or even muisc to a point helps keep me on task and makes the time spent fun.

also there are no gyms near me. closest one is 5 miles a way. someone could make money if they opened a reasonable priced gym out here. there was that weird women only gym for a while, but looking in side they mostly just had some wieghts and balls. so not a real gym. and only women limited the customers. a anytime fitness could do well I bet. the area i live is half poor houses and half rich houses.

Plenty of home workout videos like P90X or Insanity and you don't even need a gym for them and if you're not into HIT cardio, you can always buy a kettle bell, power tower and some push up bars and do a ton of swings, push ups and pull ups to get in shape.

P90X cost alot, as do other work out programs. don't know what those things are. whats a push up bar? I can't yet do regular pushups. If I can beat my adhd and keep on track i'll get back to being able to.

how does someone who can't do pull ups start towards pull up.s with pussh ups you can do wall ones or knee ones or do them off a bed or other surface. not sure how to move towards pull ups besides those special machines and they didn't really seem to help(though maybe it takes months.

Surprisingly you don't even need a lot of isometric movements like P90X says.

Do a ton of push up variations and dips.

Wide Grip Push ups, Diamond Push ups, Military Push ups and just to aim for 4x25 per exercise, do them quickly with short rest and watch videos on Youtube. The more intense you train, the better the results and the more sweat you will burn.

When you feel strong enough, throw chin ups in to the mix. Chin ups are like pull ups but you just have your palms facing towards you instead of outwards. Try that until you're nailing around 200-300 reps per workout, I manage 1,080 repetitions per workout so with effort, you should be able to do it, I do around two hundred pulls up per workout three times a week.

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17 Aug 2014, 5:37 am

If it was easy, we would all be running around with a body like Schwarzenegger but the mind of a brainiac scientist and we all would have mastered day trading and the stock market on a beach in the bahamas but it's not that easy. The real limitations are time, money, genetics and skill. Please don't tell me genetics don't play a huge role in bodybuilding, Kurgan, because they do, the average man couldn't look like Schwarzenegger even if he pumped his body with two grams of tren and did a 5x5 routine with a great diet, he would get a lot stronger but he wouldn't have perfect body genetics.

To conclude, I think the gym is productive as long as you don't get obsessed with your body to the point that it becomes an unhealthy obsession in which you take dangerous diets or steroids to achieve your goals. It takes time to build a level of stamina, strength and muscular endurance. It is similar to any skill in life, you can't just jump into Quantum mechanics if you haven't gotten basic arithmetic down just like you can't bench press 300lbs without being crushed by that weight unless you have built up to that level through practice, discipline and skill.

Tarantella has given some sound advice and some advice like alternative ways of commuting and running up stairs are a great way to get fit and build coordination which is important in many other activities. I do think the gym is a new craze, people associated Bodybuilding with homosexuality and vanity in the past but it has really caught on now and many more people are following it, I still think there are stereotypes that exist but there are stereotypes everywhere.

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17 Aug 2014, 7:09 am

The gym is also socially productive, it's two birds one stone.

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17 Aug 2014, 7:12 am

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Men in general do not face the kind of social penalties and harassment for being fat that women do unless they're morbidly obese. .

One reason for that is because overweight men are often quite strong(i.e. they can lift much more than their body-weight), unlike the vast majority of overweight women.

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17 Aug 2014, 7:44 am

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Men in general do not face the kind of social penalties and harassment for being fat that women do unless they're morbidly obese. .

One reason for that is because overweight men are often quite strong(i.e. they can lift much more than their body-weight), unlike the vast majority of overweight women.

Overweight men get a lot of prejudice and mocking too, and by women too; tarantella only dramatize things for women.

This study shows that a significant proportion of nurses are repulsed by obese patients; and guess which gender dominates this industry. http://www.csm.edu/sites/default/files/Marcum.pdf

And if it's true that obese women get more mocking by men than fat men by women, then don't worry tarantella; this is balanced with women's attitudes toward short men - have you ever heard someone calling a short girl a shrimp or napoelon complex?

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17 Aug 2014, 7:52 am

^^^
I'm well aware that fat-chicks usually aren't much easier to get for GFs than ones who aren't.(i.e. they think they're great no matter what)

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17 Aug 2014, 8:15 am

^ And the "fat men wanting hot women" stereotype? I found it much even more common among overweight women; I knew no obese woman who wasn't obsessed with six-pack guys.

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17 Aug 2014, 8:45 am

People obsess over what they feel is out of reach. This also counts to money.

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17 Aug 2014, 8:52 am

When I read the thread title, I thought it was about wearing scruffy clothes, mismatching undies, scratching your arse and farting in front of your beloved. Seems not.

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17 Aug 2014, 8:56 am

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When I read the thread title, I thought it was about wearing scruffy clothes, mismatching undies, scratching your arse and farting in front of your beloved. Seems not.

That's not letting one's self go; that...that's love. :lol:

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17 Aug 2014, 9:11 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Marcia wrote:

When I read the thread title, I thought it was about wearing scruffy clothes, mismatching undies, scratching your arse and farting in front of your beloved. Seems not.

That's not letting one's self go; that...that's love. :lol:

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17 Aug 2014, 11:16 am

Yeah that's not letting go, that's letting rip! :lol:

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17 Aug 2014, 1:35 pm

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Yeah, sly, it's become quite a problem. Last I was paying attention to these things, something like 25-30% of US adults were obese (BMI > 30). In hospitals a third (I think) of the patients are morbidly obese, so they're having to retrofit wards with wider & sturdier beds, buy heavy-duty operating tables, wider ambulances, everything. A problem too because sometimes nurses will refuse to work with very heavy patients, don't want to hurt themselves trying to move the patient. And the bad thing is that apparently once you're very fat, it's extremely hard to lose weight and keep it off, even if you're on a restricted diet. Your metabolism changes.

Your metabolism doesn't change significantly. It takes less energy to move a 150 lb body than a 300 lb body, and thus, you'll burn less by exercise. A 300 lb body will also need more energy to maintain core body temperature.

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Kurgan asked about how facebook is useful to insurance agents and people in a bunch of other professions. Answer is the same as for anyone else - it's a way of networking, connecting with people who have helpful information, and friendships make it more likely that people will share.

In other words, it's a spare time activity, and not something your should be doing in your work time.

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17 Aug 2014, 1:42 pm

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If you want to find out why people don't exercise more, even if they'd been in the habit when younger, then I invite you to go take over as parent for a month in an average American home. I suspect you'll be crying by the end of it and raging at how little time you have for yourself and for working out. You'll still work out, but you'll be so frikken exhausted that it won't be much of a workout, you won't dig deep and really feel it like you're used to. And some days you'll say fuckit, need sleep more.

Depends on how many kids we're talking about, and whether or not I'd take care of the kids with a significant other. My dad always found time to exercise with four kids.

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There's a good deal of detail and complexity that are, in the end, controlling of how things go in people's lives, and you can't see them because you've never lived them. You're entitled to sit around making silly pronouncements about things you know nothing about, rather than asking questions and being respectful of people who actually have the experience and can talk about it, but you're going to come out time and time again with wrong, silly answers...and not even know how wrong and silly you sound.

My point is that people will always find excuses not to exercise. Maria Kang has three small kids, and a husband that's so physically disabled he can't work. She still looks great.

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Out of curiosity: What's your view of docs and therapists who are NT, have no ASD family members, don't have ASD clients, and feel fit to pronounce on what people with ASD can and should do?

I got a lot of help from two psychiatric nurses in my teens. None of them had any experience with people on the autistic spectrum.

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