Importance of driving/transport in a relationship?

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I like you Feyokien.

No homo.

:'(

"These are next few years goals to achieve, these things don't matter until you're in your early 20's. You gotta take it in the context of adult advice being given to a teenager."

Not in good ol' 'Straya, mate. I should be on my full license by now, apparently.

"Kurt Cobain was a massively successful $ musician that never had to worry about feeding himself, his wife Courtney Love (who was also a successful musician) and his infant daughter, and having proper transportation in non metro congested areas. Social attitudes don't translate to the financial world."

Lol, yeah.

In fact most people I know who use that dumb quote were usually the popular kids in high school who would have had barely if anyone that disliked or hated them, and were obviously considered attractive and charismatic - that quote has always been used by those with privilege anyway.

But it can still genuinely apply to anyone.

"Yes they're called vagabonds I almost lived the life for a while ."

And I'm genuinely interested in back-packing. Yes, I know the risks, I know the consequences. I aim to start small, of course. Getting around my own region, than state, etc.

"If you're living with her then it does, unless you both live in metro congested central where public transport is a boon. That's adult long term relationships though."

Why? I live with my mother, yet I don't rely on her whatsoever for transportation and get across town just fine with the public transportation.

So why would I ask my girlfriend. I'm genuinely curious to know why I would rely on her for transportation when living with her just for the sake I do.

You could say when we have dates, she'll always be driving me, but even then if she really hates it that much, I'll take the damn bus and meet her there. And, yes, I have beaten people to places by bus.

And, it's not like I wouldn't pay for petrol every single time I'm driven in the car, because I would.

"If you can't make it to work on time, then you don't have a job, unless you live close enough that walking it can be done without getting sweaty by the time you get there. Most places of work generally don't want you to smell like BO unless its manual labor."

Yes, of course, but for some reason having a car implies you'll get to your job on-time. The place I'm volunteering, one guy bikes just fine. Imagine if he was discriminated against even if he can make it on time and isn't sweating? Imagine every person like him, who bikes or walks or uses public transportation just fine.

I'm saying employers are far less trustworthy someone who doesn't drive won't make it on time, even possibly in places such as NYC. I'm saying the suspicion is irrational, at least most of the time.

"It wouldn't, unless that congested location lacked adequate public transport. Some companies have "on call" policies where they may need to call you in at any prespecified time. My older brother for example had to do this, he drove his car to his job as a public bus driver in a college town."

Of course. I'm aware of that and zero-hour contracts.

"Not driving one car isn't going to change shite,"

Tell that to one person.
Now to ten.
Then to a billion.
Then to 3.

Apply this to all aspects of environmentalism and pro-animal rights; eco-friendly factories, eco-friendly vehicles such as Maglev and Hydrobus, etc.

You say eco-friendliness will be implemented in the future? Well, change starts with one.

#CringeworthyamountofOptimism

But in all seriousness, a lot of this stuff is statistically on the rise.

"just going to make you a little more hungry and less able to find opportunities in the world. I was a bloody Geologist that was well versed in environmental science beyond what politicians and bloggers talk about. It's okay to drive a car."

Do you mean it's actually not a bad thing, or just that not driving is ineffective at helping the environment?

"Coal power plants in China (and the U.S. and a lot of other places) are still going to continue to burn without your one car. Clean energy systems will be implemented in the near future."

Hopefully.

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Good to see you back, Sly, and I bet you can't drive as well?

:'(

"I see. Different etiquette I suppose..."

Ah, of course, different cultures.

There are so many aspects of other cultures I wish were just applied here.

But instead, Australia seems to have this pseudo-American culture developing. We're not as bad socially, culturally, politically and economically as the current United States, but the reality is we are heading in that direction in the past decade and still are. No recession just yet, but it's just over the horizon.

Sly has a license, and is able to drive just fine.

He's not far too young, it's better to start learning early.

What do you mean?

Best I learn independence and 'adult' responsibilities now if I want to be dating maturer, more independent people?

And true that.

And, I'm actually not so against driving and getting my Learner's, i've just been extremely frustrated over it lately as I've either been getting pressure left right and centre or advice everywhere against my beliefs.

I just want to get that Learner's next Tuesday, and take my time at my own pace.

Aren't we the one's who usually argue life shouldn't be some 'rat race', and we don't necessarily have to begin university at 18 immediately after high school graduation like everyone else, get the degree by 22-25, secure a job in your field, and work that job till we die, but to instead take our time to grow as a person?

Besides, truth is, independence and self-efficiency isn't necessarily a sign of maturity - in fact, in some, it can breed arrogance and high-maintainance types.

I find a lot of the girls my age with a 'normal' amount of independence (e.g. more than my own as most of them have/had part-time jobs and are now in their first year of university, have their license or learner's, have moved out and sharing a place with a roommate, and well on their paths to 'adulthood') I am incompatible with, and don't think I would be even with an equal amount of independence. I'm saying it's unrelated to their actual independence, but their personalities.

I usually am not attracted to these types anyway. I find many of them are more 'privileged' than myself though this may be illusion. Many of them are N.T's and have had vast support networks their entire lives, many of them are middle class (I am lower-middle class), and have generally always had everything they needed to get where they are now. I know 'everyone has struggles', and they aren't necessarily having the world hand them everything on a platter (not arguing that at all, many of them have worked hard to get where they are)

This one girl I had a crush on, her current situation is she was kicked out of home, had to drop out of high school senior year, is living in an entirely different state, on social security and looking for work, still lower-middle class.

And I'd still prefer her anyday over some middle class types.

I don't know how I turned speaking about driving into some long-winded ramble about independence and how it relates to socio-economic class.

That's just it, Feyokien - I'm ambitious and optimistic in life and hardworking, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be where everyone else is right now, nor would I want to be.

OP: Sorry for hijacking your thread. I haven't seen you post in this thread for quite a bit.

Anyway, I think I've still remained a bit on-topic, in that driving is far more significant than just getting from point A to Point B.

There is so much more to that, a lot of cultural signifigance and symbolism of adulthood and independence attached to it.

Forget about all the other bullcrap.

Just get the Learner Permit. Not because you feel like you have to comform--

But because you feel you want to have a drivers license, so you can function in Australia away from public transportation.

Not because you're trying to impress a girl.

When I got my license (at age 37), I felt so liberated.

I didn't get my own car until age 51. Now, I can't see myself ever NOT having a car. It's a necessary part of me.

Just do it, man. Do it for yourself, not for anybody else.

Take all the other bullcrap out of the equation. Just do it for yourself.

Imagine being able to get to Ayres Rock without having to depend on the bus? Imagine being able to just hop in your car and drive away?

Life is a race, whether you like it or not. If you try to pretend it’s not, you’ll only manage to lose. You don’t know how much I wish I’d been brought up with this in mind, rather than denying it and opposing my attempts to live according to this fact when I began to see it, pressuring me to give up any rational understanding of the situation so I wouldn’t reach the conclusion they didn’t want me to.

From your posts, you indicate being controlled, sheltered and oppressed by your parents - you have said this on many occasions.

You lost the race because you developed a negative attitude that meant you felt afraid to try at all, which is different than going at your own pace.

In fact, most people do go at their own pace, it's just those without disabilities, physical, mental or otherwise, usually aren't disadvantaged to the point their pace may be delayed by just one or two years.

And that's why it's called a neurological disorder, folks!

License =pointless unless can afford car, maintaince, insurance, and gas.