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If that makes you roll your eyes, you're probably thinking of radical feminism. Liberal feminism is much more mainstream, and the definition is as Zee stated.


Oh, and... thanks, Merle. I admire you.

From my understanding men and women have equal rights in the western world. So these days feminists are sexist because they want more rights for women.

Feminism is the opposite of sexism; feminists believe that men and women are equal (at least according to most definitions).

lmao, thats BS

why am I so obsessed with woman's rights?

and when I was a child I could not go to the Jr Achievement like my brother because Jr Achievement didn't take girls. they do now, but not then. Why not? because women like me were 'obsessed' with "women's rights"

when I was date raped and pregnant and he got off with a slap on the wrist and I was forced out of town to live how ever I could by an outraged family that didn't want me to 'shame the family name.' I wasn't known as a 'single mother' but an "unwed mother" and a "wayward" and my child was an illegitimate bastard. I lived on the streets and I went into labor alone in an emergency ward because I didn't have the money or insurance and my child was taken from me by the State of California because I was indigent. It's not like that now, but it was then. Why? women like me obsessed with "women's rights."

I was fired from jobs because I wouldn't sleep with the boss. It sounds archaic, right? something that you could sue and raise a ruckus about. it is now, but not then. Why? women like me that was 'obsessed' with women's rights. I was paid less than men doing the same job and I could take it and like it. Wasn't against any law, it was the norm. Why did it change? because women like me were 'obsessed' with women's rights.

I worked for change in politics during the Nixon years, and the country was pretty low, then. I worked in progressive causes and was expected to make the coffee and sandwiches for the men. That was 'progress' for women, back then. Mentioning it would bring heaps of scorn that you were 'not dedicated' and 'standing in the way of progress, or worse you will never get a man whining like that. When I see that happening still, I know my work is not yet finished, and the way it changes is for me to change it, just like I have been doing all my years - obsessed with 'women's rights."

there is so much that these days are just taken for granted, that weren't 'granted'. People worked for those changes.

and anyway, what would you have me do, roll over and be helpless?

Merle

There's nothing wrong with women having the same rights as men. If I lived in the 1960s, I would probably be one of those men that campaigned for women's rights, as I come from a very progressive family background...

The problem comes when the people that were campaigning for rights for a particular "second-class" group finally achieve their goals... the people that were once fighting the good fight realize the power and influence they wield, and aside from certain exceptional people such as Martin Luther King, end up getting drunk on their power, and, in the end, go on a f***ing power trip...

Hence you get groups like the Black Panthers and the super-radical branch of feminism...

I don't know if you can say that. Even if one thinks the original movement has accomplished its purpose, that doesn't mean they can't still subscribe to the philosophy behind it. I agree with equal rights for the sexes- I just haven't had to fight for them. I think that still technically makes me a feminist, albeit a passive one.

Its ok Ford, i'll just quote that, took the words outta my mouth.

Depends on your definition of feminist. If it is strickly believing in equal rights then you are not sexist, that definition makes me a feminist.

But if feminist you mean a movement when men and women have equal rights, then you are fighting for more priviliges for women, which is against equal rights for men and women, thus is sexist.

So see what I mean women that talk about feminism are sexist. In my experience they are sexist, they have something against men in general rather looking at individuals.

I got confused by your second sentence. Are you saying that given a society where rights are already equal, fighting for just more privileges for women would make them unequal, and therefore sexist in the other direction? Or are you saying that given a society where women had less rights, fighting for only women's rights to make them just equal to men's would be sexist because one would only be concentrating on women?

ToS is absolutely right- you'll get a group of radicals out of any movement that take things past the point of equality. Thing is- they're the minority.

I grew up in the ultra-PC movement of the 90s- where "feminists" were those crazy suburban women you heard about on the news who picketed Disneyland until they ruined the original Pirates of the Caribbean ride by removing the cartoonish animatronic pirates chasing women. That's not gaining equal rights, that's being petty.

On a more important level, I've read about women who took advantage their ex-husbands of one year in divorce settlements.

Does that mean liberal feminism suddenly ceased to exist? Of course not. Notice he said "a super-radical branch of feminism."

You sneering your nose at the term, generalizing a whole group because of a few, would be on par with me writing off all Christians because of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church.

I didn't say all of them as in all women anyway. Oh yeah, ones that are greedy really annoy me. When there's starving people in the world, and that f***ing Heather Mills wants millions, and for what? And Anna Nicole marrying that 90 year old.

There's nothing wrong with women having the same rights as men. If I lived in the 1960s, I would probably be one of those men that campaigned for women's rights, as I come from a very progressive family background...

The problem comes when the people that were campaigning for rights for a particular "second-class" group finally achieve their goals... the people that were once fighting the good fight realize the power and influence they wield, and aside from certain exceptional people such as Martin Luther King, end up getting drunk on their power, and, in the end, go on a f***ing power trip...

Hence you get groups like the Black Panthers and the super-radical branch of feminism...

Men can be greedy too, you know.