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All research show that students with AS are worse at math than nt students. I'm also against social skills training. Students with AS needs jobs, not social skills.

That's a good solution, there are many jobs out there

That means jobs mowing lawns.

Nonsense, with all due respect. Can you show me some of this research? And if it were true, then either the research is flawed or it's prejudiced against certain kinds of maths teaching. You see, mathematical education has been hijacked by all kinds of pedagogical loons who try to make maths more "concrete", i.e., palatable to all the wusses who couldn't add 3 and 7 if their lives depended on it. The entire maths department at my university literally bursts with textbook aspies...

I actually was one of those typical math geeks when I was in high school and today I'm one of the more sociable computer geeks. Maths have always been the key to understanding the Neurotypical world for me.

Maybe Asperger's is just more obvious with people who have poor maths skills as they implies they have poor abstract logic skills and these skills are essential to overcome many of the Aspie deficits.

Yes, because i totally want to mow lawns for the rest of my life .

Everyone knows that mowing lawns for a living is the best kind of life . I mean, being able to retire by the fit and young age of 200? There's really no better way to go if my goal in life is to be a complete drag on society & be yet another leech siphoning money off the currently already failing government cash-assistance programs. I can drag a rusty old push-mower around, sleep under bridges, & convince the elderly that they're in dire need of a trim. The perfect plan.
& when i'm elderly myself & can no longer work at all, i can always fall back on the imaginary retirement fund i never had because by god, mowing lawns was enough for me. college? bahhh, what a silly notion. Who wants to do that when you can be a lonely self-pitying vagrant, with a bottle of schnapps clutched in each hand, bemoaning my problems to anyone who will listen ?

Where did you get the idea that jobs don't require social skills training? All jobs- yes, even mowing lawns- require the ability to function in a social setting. There are people whose autism comes bundled with mental retardation who will need job training in order tyo do simple, repetetive jobs. Howvere, those jobs, and all of life in general, require social skills. A person who can't conduct himself properly around other people will be unable to mow lawns or any other job you think might be good for somebody with mental retardation. Social skills training is what makes job training even a possibility.

People who come by social skills naturally don't need any training in them. But they are the only ones. People who don't come by social skills naturally for whatever neurological reason can benefit from and in some cases require social skills training. This forum is rife with attempts at ad hoc social skills training as people write posts advising each other on how to behave around others so as to be succesful romantically. That's not something a school would do this advice is a sort of scial skills training. And pragmatic conversation groups in highschool could go a long way towards helping people hold conversations with the opposite sex.

And people who will need the sort of job training you are envisioning because they are mentallly ret*d will still also need social skills training. They need it a lot more than the high IQ Aspie who can manage to sort of get along along by sheer brainpower ability to see social patterns (what salonisifuil was talking about). If they are to keep this menial job you envision them in, they are going to need social skills desperately.

I'm talking about simple unskilled work, such as cleaning, gardening, etc. The kind of social skills training used on students with AS will never "create" teamworkers or leaders.
Having a crew of workers with Autism would be more effective. I've seen people doing gardening work spending more time talking and taking smoke breaks than actually working.
Being asocial can sometimes be beneficial.
In case you didn't know it: Most girls in junior/high school would be bullying and exploiting a kid with AS, not helping him.

So gardeners or cleaners don't need social skills? And what about high IQ Aspies like myself who are smart enough to get a job in engineering or IT?



I've worked as part of a team for about three years and it is my ambition to eventually become team leader or project leader. It won't be easy at all, but my social skills are still under development and should eventually suffice.



I was the only guy in a class full of girls for about a year or two, so they're no need telling me. Nevertheless, the s**t I went through in high school eventually helped me increase my understanding of neurotypical social interaction and I eventually became enough skilled socially to have several very close friends and about 5 exes (with relationships varying from 3 months to 6 years).

Maybe you're low-functioning and barely able to survive in the tough NT world out there, but many of the high-functioning Aspies are able to make something of their lives. You shouldn't generalise as if all Aspies have no hope surviving the NT world without special care. That's simply not true.

There are very few Aspies like you.

Actually, Aspies with superior maths and IT skills are so common it's become a stereotype. While it is true that there will pobably be only few Aspies of my age who developed their social skills up to the same level I developed them, it's only a matter of how much effort you put into training your social skills and how strong your abstract logic skills really are. High-functioning Aspies should be able to train their social skills at least up to a point they're considered as sympathetic yet somewhat ackward individuals.

Yes, it's only a stereotype. Boys with AS are more likely to drop out of junior high because of immaturity, bullying and low skills in subjects such as math.
I've just looked at a norwegian forum where people posted what they were educated as or were studying. Most had never completed a high school education. Some had tried to get a BA in languages/music or art, but many had given up that. Not many scientist there.

I've met several male Aspies of about my age and most of them had above average maths skills. One of them even was a civil engineer (THE most advanced maths-oriented college degree in my country).



Maybe high-functioning Autists aren't commonly diagnosed in Norway. Nevertheless, it does seem to be a Norwegian thing and definitely not a global condition.

Strange... I would have guessed that a PhD in Mathematics was even more advanced.

A PhD in Civil Engineering is more advanced because it requires not only a very advanced level of mathematics, but also a very advanced level in physics, chemistry and technical drawing.

Civil engineering is basically advanced mathematics applied to reality. For example, a friend of mine has a doctorate in civil engineering and his doctorate's thesis involved the development of a computer program using a self-designed 3D-modeling technique specific for complex organic materials. He pretty much built his own custom 3D-engine to be used in medicine.

I do not doubt that. I do doubt however that the mathematics used in civil engineering is equally advanced as that studied by the mathematicians themselves, simply because most truly advanced maths doesn't have a real-world application (yet). (Except maybe in theoretical physics.). People who aren't involved with mathematics directly usually have a rather limited view as to its extent. Most work that's fashionable in current mathematics (e.g., modular forms, Calabi-Yau manifolds, Galois representation of quantum groups) hasn't crossed over yet to more application oriented fields, if it ever will.