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13 Dec 2011, 2:09 pm

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Guess we grew up on different places.


Definitely. When the whole country is poor, when most of its people are poor, regardless of education, skills, etc, that makes people react to material wealth differently. Some start to despise rich people. But most try to go near them and get some of it for themselves. (I'm talking about the high school kids).

The only reason this girl was bullied was because she was shy, chubby, and definitely didn't project an image of a rich person. She didn't wear flashy clothes because she lacked self-esteem and she wasn't into expensive clothes anyway. She also stuttered and others teased her for that.

She had problems in her home. Her mom died when she was a child and her father (a famous doctor) was never there, so she lived with her step mom who was from another country and much younger than her dad. (Not that it's bad per se, but they didn't get along back then. Later they developed a better relationship).

After the high school she suffered from anorexia for a couple of years. It was pretty bad.

I dont live in a poor country but I started growing up in a poor/middle class area when my father was starting to work and after business took off he decided to move to a golf course(a friend of his got him started in golf and he found out they were starting a high end neighbourhood next to the golf course so he "had" to buy a place there) but leave me at my previous school and expected me to wear high end clothing for several years.
I guess kids thought I was rubbing it in or something.

I was shy as well but as soon as the clothes disappeared(told my parents I didnt like certain things and started making decisions of my own) most of my classmates treated me much nicerly and I went from being the one that was bullied to being the one that helped friends dealing with bullies. Apparently after this change they started noticing I could be funny/help them with classwork if they were nice to me so they changed their behavior.

My father still expects me to go back to "the right path" at some point but at the moment its a high unlikely scenario since Im enjoying being treated as an equal person because to me we are all equals and should be treated as such no matter how much money your family has.

Sorry to hear about your friend though


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13 Dec 2011, 2:29 pm

Spongy,

I think the expensive clothes (and other signs of being rich) were the main problem. I think people take that as "see me, I'm better than you" attitude, even if it isn't.

But it has nothing to do with someone's personality. Rich people aren't automatically bad, and poor people aren't automatically good (even though that was the main message while I was growing up).



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13 Dec 2011, 2:38 pm

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Spongy,

I think the expensive clothes (and other signs of being rich) were the main problem. I think people take that as "see me, I'm better than you" attitude, even if it isn't.

But it has nothing to do with someone's personality. Rich people aren't automatically bad, and poor people aren't automatically good (even though that was the main message while I was growing up).


I´d have to agree with you.
As a matter of fact you can look at the I want to date a preppy girl thread(I think it was there) and you´ll see that I mentioned that people should look beyond clothing and the fact that some girl was preppy didnt mean that she couldnt be nice/have several other good qualities... and you can find bad people at every group


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13 Dec 2011, 2:53 pm

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I´d have to agree with you.
As a matter of fact you can look at the I want to date a preppy girl thread(I think it was there) and you´ll see that I mentioned that people should look beyond clothing and the fact that some girl was preppy didnt mean that she couldnt be nice/have several other good qualities... and you can find bad people at every group


I agree, but the way I see "prepiness" (sp?), it's not just about clothes and it's not about having money. Many Eastern European girls, for example, are far from being rich but they are "preppy" and dressed up, because that's the beauty ideal.

I think I see "prepiness" as an attitude more than what you wear or how much money you have. It's not about being pretty or popular either. But I guess I misunderstand the term.



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13 Dec 2011, 3:03 pm

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I don't believe much in true love.


Huh? I thought you were one of the last true romantics on WP.


:| Huh? What?



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13 Dec 2011, 3:23 pm

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:| Huh? What?


I don't know. The way you joke around, the fact you rarely whine, you don't disrespect women (like some of the self-proclaimed shy guys do), the way you reveal your feelings under the sarcasm... I don't know, maybe I just dig your style.



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13 Dec 2011, 3:23 pm

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13 Dec 2011, 3:27 pm

deconstruction wrote:
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I´d have to agree with you.
As a matter of fact you can look at the I want to date a preppy girl thread(I think it was there) and you´ll see that I mentioned that people should look beyond clothing and the fact that some girl was preppy didnt mean that she couldnt be nice/have several other good qualities... and you can find bad people at every group


I agree, but the way I see "prepiness" (sp?), it's not just about clothes and it's not about having money. Many Eastern European girls, for example, are far from being rich but they are "preppy" and dressed up, because that's the beauty ideal.

I think I see "prepiness" as an attitude more than what you wear or how much money you have. It's not about being pretty or popular either. But I guess I misunderstand the term.

Anthropologically speaking(I guess thats what you are doing considering you stated you are very interested on anthropology) every style of clothing has some attitude associated with it. Hypsters are supposed to not care about fashion mainstream things/ Rappers are supposed to be very confident on themselves(making this one up so I could be wrong)/ punks are supposed to have a rebellious attitude...

This would all be fine and dandy if people didnt judge each other by those assumptions based on their clothing. I cant tell you the amount of time Ive seen a "hard working" friend complain about how all rich people have a superiority complex..., and Ive corrected them explaining my case(we were friends at the time) and several other cases Ive found by looking beyond clothing.


Ive had this discussion with hyperlexian several times and we both agreed that trying to avoid falling into any of the main groups was the best way to avoid being judged based on your clothing.

If you ask me its pretty sad that society has come to this


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13 Dec 2011, 3:32 pm

deconstruction wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
:| Huh? What?


I don't know. The way you joke around, the fact you rarely whine, you don't disrespect women (like some of the self-proclaimed shy guys do), the way you reveal your feelings under the sarcasm... I don't know, maybe I just dig your style.


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13 Dec 2011, 7:10 pm

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I don't believe much in true love.


Huh? I thought you were one of the last true romantics on WP.


Getting him to believe in true romance is like getting blood out of a stone nowadays, plenty more like him around.


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13 Dec 2011, 7:15 pm

PastFixations wrote:
deconstruction wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I don't believe much in true love.


Huh? I thought you were one of the last true romantics on WP.


Getting him to believe in true romance is like getting blood out of a stone nowadays, plenty more like him around.


I can't be labeled with something related to a subject I've never experienced before (ie. such as romantic to romance). A true romantic can't be just a theoretically romantic.

Therefore, deconstruction's claim of me being romantic can't be valid.



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13 Dec 2011, 7:22 pm

Rich don't have it easy. Sure they can satisfy their material needs and wants easily. That's not what life IS. Life is pursuit of happiness. Rich people can be as miserable as the rest of us.



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14 Dec 2011, 12:21 am

Pursuing happiness is a hell of a lot easier when you can afford to eat and drive, I'd imagine.


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14 Dec 2011, 12:35 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I can't be labeled with something related to a subject I've never experienced before (ie. such as romantic to romance). A true romantic can't be just a theoretically romantic.

Therefore, deconstruction's claim of me being romantic can't be valid.


You've never experienced romance? WTF is wrong with girls in Lebanon?



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14 Dec 2011, 4:11 am

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Rich don't have it easy. Sure they can satisfy their material needs and wants easily. That's not what life IS. Life is pursuit of happiness. Rich people can be as miserable as the rest of us.


Not all rich people, a rich man for example might be miserable because he would have loads of business concerns and money management issues.

But his housewife would be the happiest person, she has maids, she has nannies for the kids and has everything :lol: : Comfort, access to money and no big concerns, it's heaven.

The happiest people on the planet earth are the rich men's non-working wives or maybe even the rich men's wives who are working in NGO/simple jobs just for the esteem, prestige or just to kill time (and not the rich men/women who are creating their own great wealth).



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14 Dec 2011, 8:48 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Dilbert wrote:
Rich don't have it easy. Sure they can satisfy their material needs and wants easily. That's not what life IS. Life is pursuit of happiness. Rich people can be as miserable as the rest of us.


Not all rich people, a rich man for example might be miserable because he would have loads of business concerns and money management issues.

But his housewife would be the happiest person, she has maids, she has nannies for the kids and has everything :lol: : Comfort, access to money and no big concerns, it's heaven.

The happiest people on the planet earth are the rich men's non-working wives or maybe even the rich men's wives who are working in NGO/simple jobs just for the esteem, prestige or just to kill time (and not the rich men/women who are creating their own great wealth).


I'm sad if you truly believe this. Could you live and be happy with nothing to occupy your time or your brain?