Initial attraction: Beta Male Body Language
Shau wrote:
If it were up to me, it would go like this:
Computer software uses algorithm to generate list of profiles by compatibility (%) based on factors such as interest, age, profession, and orientation.
Eventually, two individuals will select one another for a date.
Computer then selects meetup point that provides the best balance of favor to both individuals.
Computer generates list of topics of mutual interest.
Couple chats away and does whatever activity the computer selected for them. Small talk only occurs if both parties tick the box for that.
If both individuals are satisfied with their appreciation of the other in terms of mannerisms, topics of mutual interest, personality type, and physical appearance, then woohoo happens.
Both individuals then proceed with whatever else it is they want to do.
Just imagine how efficient it would be! There's no doubt about it, an Aspie-optimized cybernetic approach to dating would surely be superior to the silly games and fumbling of NT people!
Computer software uses algorithm to generate list of profiles by compatibility (%) based on factors such as interest, age, profession, and orientation.
Eventually, two individuals will select one another for a date.
Computer then selects meetup point that provides the best balance of favor to both individuals.
Computer generates list of topics of mutual interest.
Couple chats away and does whatever activity the computer selected for them. Small talk only occurs if both parties tick the box for that.
If both individuals are satisfied with their appreciation of the other in terms of mannerisms, topics of mutual interest, personality type, and physical appearance, then woohoo happens.
Both individuals then proceed with whatever else it is they want to do.
Just imagine how efficient it would be! There's no doubt about it, an Aspie-optimized cybernetic approach to dating would surely be superior to the silly games and fumbling of NT people!
While OKcupid does matching like this, your example is complete date management. There could be a market for this. I would definitely like to outsource this portion of my life.
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hyperlexian wrote:
the supposed "beta" males often date and have sex and get married, just like the supposed "alpha" males (even in the animal kingdom in terms of mating. yes really). so it seems that these categories are not useful for describing or predicting social behaviour and dating prospects.
if we decide to use the phrase "alpha male" to describe men who are successful at dating, friendships, and business endeavours, we would find that the category would include all personality types - including reticent, shy, awkward men.
if we decide to use the phrase "alpha male" to describe men who are successful at dating, friendships, and business endeavours, we would find that the category would include all personality types - including reticent, shy, awkward men.
It's not as vague as that, it's not a case of black and white, success or failure. It's not in relation to individuals themselves but in relation to how a person responds in the scenario or situation. In this case, I think it's relevant for the guy in the video because he does have chances with the other blonde girl but he messes it up by obsessing over one girl instead of realizing there are other opportunities.
There are many mistakes I can point out that I picked up just by watching Eric in the first video.
Obsessing
Analysing too much before making an approach
Trying to be too pleasing, seeking approval
Appearing too clingy
Not picking up on hints of disinterest
Ignores the hints from the blonde girl
Overcompensating by acting too cool in an attempt at false confidence
The person with the lowest attraction value at that party is David who gets slapped by the blonde girl. He makes a cold approach kiss far too early which leads to him getting slapped, he might have had a chance with the blonde girl if he had built up rapport first since she seems open to dancing with him.
yes, this is true, absolutely. it just isn't possible to categorise all the males who succeed as "alpha" and the ones who fail as "beta", because their characteristics are so variable.
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hyperlexian wrote:
yes, this is true, absolutely. it just isn't possible to categorise all the males who succeed as "alpha" and the ones who fail as "beta", because their characteristics are so variable.
I like to think of Alpha as the men women approach, pursue and who tends to get most female attention and beta as the males women go for once the Alphas are taken. Overly simplified ofc.
Shau wrote:
Computer software uses algorithm to generate list of profiles by compatibility (%) based on factors such as interest, age, profession, and orientation.
Eventually, two individuals will select one another for a date.
Computer then selects meetup point that provides the best balance of favor to both individuals.
Computer generates list of topics of mutual interest.
Couple chats away and does whatever activity the computer selected for them.
Eventually, two individuals will select one another for a date.
Computer then selects meetup point that provides the best balance of favor to both individuals.
Computer generates list of topics of mutual interest.
Couple chats away and does whatever activity the computer selected for them.
TM wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
yes, this is true, absolutely. it just isn't possible to categorise all the males who succeed as "alpha" and the ones who fail as "beta", because their characteristics are so variable.
I like to think of Alpha as the men women approach, pursue and who tends to get most female attention and beta as the males women go for once the Alphas are taken. Overly simplified ofc.
That's pretty much my understanding.
1000Knives wrote:
Whatever, I figure people much uglier, less intelligent, and hell, even with worse social skills eventually mate, so in the grand scheme of things, I don't have much to worry about, regardless of if I'm "alpha" or not. It's irrelevant.
In the end, I largely view it as a competition for the best possible genes to mate with. A high status mate, has a higher chance of resulting in high status offspring, which will then be able to mate with high status mates.
It's one of the same reasons arranged marriages were the norm for large parts of human existence and why European Royal families have a family tree without branches.
1000Knives wrote:
Guide to becoming Alpha.
LOL. Or a big Beta.
In the end, though, such designations really only serve to benefit the Alpha. Human existence has evolved greatly since the hunter-gatherer days.
At this point, people are getting laid by people who would turn their noses up at the publicly declared "Alphas", whether by choice, circumstance, or desperation.
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Wolfheart wrote:
Building Initial attraction: Beta Male Body Language
As we have been discussing physiques and improving physical aspects in other threads, I think it's important to express the right body language as well, even in still photographs. Attraction or initial attraction appears to be based on a set of images that portray certain characteristics or traits.
Steps of a relationship
Initial attraction = Body language, status, attraction value, posture and physique.
Early Development = Charisma and relating.
Development = Empathy and bonding.
Established = Synergy and compatibility.
Now many of you guys might be sitting there, saying that you might make a good boyfriend in terms of compatibility, you might have relevant interests to a girl, none of that matters without the initial interest or spark that the person requires to get to want to know you. Without step one, there isn't a step four so many guys need to realize step one is the main focus to begin with.
Don't lay all your cards on the table, ever noticed how a cat will put so much effort into going for a ball of string? only until it has the ball, it simply looks at it and walks away. Ever noticed how a dog wants a toy because another dog has it or because you hold it? If no other dog or person wants the toy, the toy loses value to the dog. See the pattern here? The interest is in creating value and desire in yourself. This can apply from the shortest interactions with female store clerks to flirting in a club with the opposite sex.
Beta Male Body language - Notice some of the patterns in this video?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES72FcKnnts&feature=plcp[/youtube]
As we have been discussing physiques and improving physical aspects in other threads, I think it's important to express the right body language as well, even in still photographs. Attraction or initial attraction appears to be based on a set of images that portray certain characteristics or traits.
Steps of a relationship
Initial attraction = Body language, status, attraction value, posture and physique.
Early Development = Charisma and relating.
Development = Empathy and bonding.
Established = Synergy and compatibility.
Now many of you guys might be sitting there, saying that you might make a good boyfriend in terms of compatibility, you might have relevant interests to a girl, none of that matters without the initial interest or spark that the person requires to get to want to know you. Without step one, there isn't a step four so many guys need to realize step one is the main focus to begin with.
Don't lay all your cards on the table, ever noticed how a cat will put so much effort into going for a ball of string? only until it has the ball, it simply looks at it and walks away. Ever noticed how a dog wants a toy because another dog has it or because you hold it? If no other dog or person wants the toy, the toy loses value to the dog. See the pattern here? The interest is in creating value and desire in yourself. This can apply from the shortest interactions with female store clerks to flirting in a club with the opposite sex.
Beta Male Body language - Notice some of the patterns in this video?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES72FcKnnts&feature=plcp[/youtube]
First of all, I wanna salute you, Wolfheart.
This video is a very real-life example, especially the effect of this stupid staring.
The best way to not make a girl ignores you like that is to talk to her - an alpha move.
1000Knives wrote:
Whatever, I figure people much uglier, less intelligent, and hell, even with worse social skills eventually mate, so in the grand scheme of things, I don't have much to worry about, regardless of if I'm "alpha" or not. It's irrelevant.
Ditto.
Exactly.
Good point.
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All analogies are flawed, of course.
There is more than one Alpha wolf on the planet.
If you think you're eta; beta; pi; or omega -join or make a new pack. imho
Doesn't really matter if 'beta' is appropriately used word, as long as ideas/concepts transfer usefully.
If you think you're beta -then man up. It's easier than you think. I bet you've done it countless times. Flip the switch, I'm certain you've done it successfully before.
The outcome probably wont kill you and you can always make a comeback later. Don't let the melty-man settle in on you.
If you're feeling lost -like the flick said- you probably just haven't gotten an approach signal, look somewhere else for one.
If there's none at that party, there'll be some at other places, and at other parties.
Not all-the-world hates me simply because, out of 15 whole women, I don't notice any approach signals.
I sure as hell hope. . .
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1401b wrote:
If you think you're beta -then man up. It's easier than you think. I bet you've done it countless times. Flip the switch, I'm certain you've done it successfully before.
The outcome probably wont kill you and you can always make a comeback later. Don't let the melty-man settle in on you.
The outcome probably wont kill you and you can always make a comeback later. Don't let the melty-man settle in on you.
The way I see it, it's not even that really. There is no "strategy." There are just things you don't do, attitudes you control. Being desperate for example. It doesn't matter if you're top dog, if you get desperate around women you'll have precious little luck and even when you do it'll be filled with disappointment and frustration. Status reduces anxiety so typically a top dog is very secure, massively mitigating desperation if and when it ever does occur. Mimicking them won't create that effect, because that's all it is, mimicry. A lower status individual with no desperation will be much more succesful than a high status individual filled with it.
Anyone who's unavailable - married, gay, whatever - lacks desperation, and then you see the effect in play. Most gay guys have way more opportunity with women than Mr. Macho, precisely because they have no interest and absolutely zero desperation. Doesn't matter if they're melty-man, not even a little bit. That's because the rules are BS. All those people trying to follow them and convinced there's something wrong with their execution miss this basic truth, and will never be able to succeed by persisting, no matter how hard they try.
That's why the "do this/don't do this" solutions hardly ever work for people having problems. There's no silver bullet. If your attitudes are unpleasant, acting isn't going to help. You're SOL if you can't grow out of them. You can only hide them so much and for so long.
edgewaters wrote:
1401b wrote:
If you think you're beta -then man up. It's easier than you think. I bet you've done it countless times. Flip the switch, I'm certain you've done it successfully before.
The outcome probably wont kill you and you can always make a comeback later. Don't let the melty-man settle in on you.
The outcome probably wont kill you and you can always make a comeback later. Don't let the melty-man settle in on you.
The way I see it, it's not even that really. There is no "strategy." There are just things you don't do, attitudes you control. Being desperate for example. It doesn't matter if you're top dog, if you get desperate around women you'll have precious little luck and even when you do it'll be filled with disappointment and frustration. Status reduces anxiety so typically a top dog is very secure, massively mitigating desperation if and when it ever does occur. Mimicking them won't create that effect, because that's all it is, mimicry. A lower status individual with no desperation will be much more succesful than a high status individual filled with it.
Anyone who's unavailable - married, gay, whatever - lacks desperation, and then you see the effect in play. Most gay guys have way more opportunity with women than Mr. Macho, precisely because they have no interest and absolutely zero desperation. Doesn't matter if they're melty-man, not even a little bit. That's because the rules are BS. All those people trying to follow them and convinced there's something wrong with their execution miss this basic truth, and will never be able to succeed by persisting, no matter how hard they try.
That's why the "do this/don't do this" solutions hardly ever work for people having problems. There's no silver bullet. If your attitudes are unpleasant, acting isn't going to help. You're SOL if you can't grow out of them. You can only hide them so much and for so long.
Desperation does play into it a bit, but with gay men it tends to be that women want what they cannot have. With married men, and "whatever" they have already been approved by another female, thus they become more attractive to other females. Women are excessively competitive when it comes to this, there is a reason why a wedding ring is the best accessory for a guy who wants to be hit on.
Note, that while I do have little faith in the average female, I have little faith in the average member of the human race regardless of gender. So it's less of a "females suck" and more of a "People tend to be bastard coated bastards with bastard filling".
