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spongy wrote:
[shocking news] Despite what some of you may believe this boards aim isnt to discuss feminism or how you feel towards feminism...[/shocking news]
...but it's such an effective distraction/thread derailment tool! Without it, we might be stuck discussing the original topic! We can't have that!
(here's hoping) [crossed fingers]
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billiscool wrote:
Let say you meet a women. She is attractive,popular,cool and she shows in interest you and you find her attractive and you ask her out and
she say yes. OK let say the women turn out to be a complete b*tch, she is rude to you, she has no respect for you, she cheats on you,
would you stay with her?.
or would continue to date other women who are pretty and cool or would you be more wary?
Sadly, I know that alot of women will continue dating abusers because alot of abusers have ''confidence'' and ''game''
And alot of men will continue dating female abusers because they find them attractive and ''cool''
she say yes. OK let say the women turn out to be a complete b*tch, she is rude to you, she has no respect for you, she cheats on you,
would you stay with her?.
or would continue to date other women who are pretty and cool or would you be more wary?
Sadly, I know that alot of women will continue dating abusers because alot of abusers have ''confidence'' and ''game''
And alot of men will continue dating female abusers because they find them attractive and ''cool''
not sure, but something tells me Yes I would, because I would rather have loved and lost than to never have loved at all, I just want to finally end the single streak, get the monkey off my back
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WantToHaveALife wrote:
billiscool wrote:
Let say you meet a women. She is attractive,popular,cool and she shows in interest you and you find her attractive and you ask her out and
she say yes. OK let say the women turn out to be a complete b*tch, she is rude to you, she has no respect for you, she cheats on you,
would you stay with her?.
or would continue to date other women who are pretty and cool or would you be more wary?
Sadly, I know that alot of women will continue dating abusers because alot of abusers have ''confidence'' and ''game''
And alot of men will continue dating female abusers because they find them attractive and ''cool''
she say yes. OK let say the women turn out to be a complete b*tch, she is rude to you, she has no respect for you, she cheats on you,
would you stay with her?.
or would continue to date other women who are pretty and cool or would you be more wary?
Sadly, I know that alot of women will continue dating abusers because alot of abusers have ''confidence'' and ''game''
And alot of men will continue dating female abusers because they find them attractive and ''cool''
not sure, but something tells me Yes I would, because I would rather have loved and lost than to never have loved at all, I just want to finally end the single streak, get the monkey off my back
No respect, cheating...why do you even have to ask people? Why would you even consider staying with such a person?
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Fatal-Noogie wrote:
DerStadtschutz wrote:
No it's not, and that wasn't a personal attack.
DerStadtschutz wrote:
Shut up and go make someone a sandwich already, for f**k's sake
Maybe it doesn't fit your definition of a "personal" attack, but it still sounds a bit rude (and sexist) to me.For the record, I agree with your core argument. I don't think b*tch is necessarily sexist language.
I say it depends on the context and the OP context was NOT sexist.
Furthermore, I don't think ValentineWiggin's self-appointed crusade against
gender-specific language helps to further gender equality . . . at all.
Maybe some anthropologists argue that language is tied inextricably to behavior, but I don't buy that.
I wish she would stop generalizing people who use supposedly "sexist" words as being "sexists" themselves,
because that stereotype would include about 80% of the people I know, including both genders,
and all political affiliations and sexual orientations.
I just don't think cursing her out on it is an amiable method to get the point across.
And yeah, her attacking you for fake political views on wages was an unfair straw-man argument too.
I'm not a referee or a debate moderator. I can't notice/point-out every unfair remark made in this thread, nor do I particularly care to,
nor am I qualified because I'm not completely neutral.
She has pretty much agreed with the idea that the words "he" and "she" are sexist, so that would make 100% of the population(or at least those that can speak) sexist. And it's true, strictly speaking it is sexist. Is it wrong though? I don't think so, it's just the way things are. Males and females have differences, women generally need tampons while men don't for example. Nature is not going to adapt to our wishful thinking so it's up to us to adapt to nature. Money quote from her: "I don't personally-subscribe to the bullsh*t that is liberal "separate but equal" feminism."
So yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you said and tried telling ValentineWiggin that she's not going about this in a practical way, but hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinions I guess.
WantToHaveALife wrote:
not sure, but something tells me Yes I would, because I would rather have loved and lost than to never have loved at all, I just want to finally end the single streak, get the monkey off my back
I know from experience that this way of thinking is only going to bring more pain and sadness into your life. But I have a feeling nothing is going to be able to change this mindset of yours except learning the hard way. In the end the lesson learned is what matters most and you'll be better off for it.
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civrev wrote:
Fatal-Noogie wrote:
DerStadtschutz wrote:
No it's not, and that wasn't a personal attack.
DerStadtschutz wrote:
Shut up and go make someone a sandwich already, for f**k's sake
Maybe it doesn't fit your definition of a "personal" attack, but it still sounds a bit rude (and sexist) to me.For the record, I agree with your core argument. I don't think b*tch is necessarily sexist language.
I say it depends on the context and the OP context was NOT sexist.
Furthermore, I don't think ValentineWiggin's self-appointed crusade against
gender-specific language helps to further gender equality . . . at all.
Maybe some anthropologists argue that language is tied inextricably to behavior, but I don't buy that.
I wish she would stop generalizing people who use supposedly "sexist" words as being "sexists" themselves,
because that stereotype would include about 80% of the people I know, including both genders,
and all political affiliations and sexual orientations.
I just don't think cursing her out on it is an amiable method to get the point across.
And yeah, her attacking you for fake political views on wages was an unfair straw-man argument too.
I'm not a referee or a debate moderator. I can't notice/point-out every unfair remark made in this thread, nor do I particularly care to,
nor am I qualified because I'm not completely neutral.
She has pretty much agreed with the idea that the words "he" and "she" are sexist, so that would make 100% of the population(or at least those that can speak) sexist. And it's true, strictly speaking it is sexist. Is it wrong though? I don't think so, it's just the way things are. Males and females have differences, women generally need tampons while men don't for example. Nature is not going to adapt to our wishful thinking so it's up to us to adapt to nature. Money quote from her: "I don't personally-subscribe to the bullsh*t that is liberal "separate but equal" feminism."
So yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you said and tried telling ValentineWiggin that she's not going about this in a practical way, but hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinions I guess.
WantToHaveALife wrote:
not sure, but something tells me Yes I would, because I would rather have loved and lost than to never have loved at all, I just want to finally end the single streak, get the monkey off my back
I know from experience that this way of thinking is only going to bring more pain and sadness into your life. But I have a feeling nothing is going to be able to change this mindset of yours except learning the hard way. In the end the lesson learned is what matters most and you'll be better off for it.
i hate how women have to be so damn intuitive!
Women need hugs snuggles and emotional comfort......and we men need the same although we don't always admit it due to trying to stay macho.
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WantToHaveALife wrote:
not sure, but something tells me Yes I would, because I would rather have loved and lost than to never have loved at all, I just want to finally end the single streak, get the monkey off my back
Don't let loneliness turn you into that guy. I can tell you from experience that being single is definitely preferable to finding out, years in, that the person you love and trust doesn't love you back.
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DerStadtschutz wrote:
I'm not a sexist, but I know telling her to make a sandwich will strike a nerve, as it clearly has. So, mission accomplished. You people are all welcome to believe whatever the hell you want, though. It makes no difference to me. I'm not here to win a popularity contest. I'm here to tell it as it is. If you can't handle that... Well, that's your damn problem, not mine. I've had enough of this horse sh**.
I understand your frustration. They disagree with your stance, they're not even willing to hear it out, and they look for any excuse to dismiss you. They are not interested in equality and at least contemplating what you have to say.
There are several female respondents on this thread who fit that category to a T, and in the name of equality and wanting to treat others the same, it's disgusting how unequal they are and biased in their own favor. And as someone who does believe in equality, it is disgusting. They don't know how much they've been coddled and have no qualms unjustly berating and dismissing you.
So I fully understand.
spongy wrote:
I did say that one of the main problems of this board wasnt the males attitude but the way posters of both sexes focus on discussions that are going to go nowhere instead of trying to give advice and whatnot less than a week ago...([shocking news] Despite what some of you may believe this boards aim isnt to discuss feminism or how you feel towards feminism...[/shocking news].)
I know that this is the section where this discussion has to happen but I just dont see how it benefits the forum. I mean if things had actually improved a little bit since the discussion started then Id applaud all of you for doing it but talking to a wall for months which is what both sides have been doing seems a bit unproductive to me.
I know that this is the section where this discussion has to happen but I just dont see how it benefits the forum. I mean if things had actually improved a little bit since the discussion started then Id applaud all of you for doing it but talking to a wall for months which is what both sides have been doing seems a bit unproductive to me.
Thank you. There are set men who look for specific wording and side issues in all the threads in L&D, rear their ugly heads and take out their frustration with that issue instead of helping the OP see things a different way if their view might be deemed offensive, or put them on the track and give them advice they might need. The women are just as bad. Again there are set ones that only show their heads when they are given an opportunity to stand on a podium about men. For example the OP was asking if we should stay with people that are frankly awful companions, and the first female response was to suggest he wouldn't be a great companion himself to other people for asking in such a bitter manner. That was a personal attack and frankly added nothing to the discussion. It should have been a yes or no or personal advice.
TBH this board kind of sucks for advice because there's too many people making topics all about them and their issues rather than helping the OP with their own issues and demons. Newsflash people, everything isn't about you. Someone doesn't like women? Set an example and show them you're not so bad (cos you aren't) don't reenforce their view! Likewise to the men jumping into guy mistreating women threads, give them at least a beacon of hope! It's not hard. See a thread about weight issues and feel insecure about your weight? Grow an iron stomach and tackle the thread non partisan and accept the OP might have different views on it! See a thread about exes and had a bad break up? Forget YOU! Think about the OP!
Okay, now I got that out of my system. Again for the 99th attempt to get the thread back on topic. OP - just ditch girls like that if that's how you feel. You feel it's all negative behaviour (I'm inclined to agree 100%) so sticking around does you no favours.
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Stad, your misandry is sickening.
Give it a rest.
Give it a rest.
...not as sickening as your idiocy.
It really doesn't matter what the hell I say. You're convinced that every male is part of some secret club where we all get together and decide how to keep women oppressed, and we all give each other special presents. Anytime a male such as myself attempts to find a reason WHY things are the way they are(sometimes they ARE unequal, but it goes both ways, which you refuse to accept or give a s**t about), you accuse me of defending the way things are... You need help. All you do is constantly play the victim card. Why don't you grow the hell up already? And did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason why women get paid less is because they stand around bitching about BS that isn't even real most of the time? You've pretty much called every single person a sexist, and you act as though it's you vs. the world... I wouldn't pay you the same as a man who keeps his mouth shut and actually does his goddamn work either... In fact, I wouldn't even hire you in the first place... No, not because you're a woman, but because you're a STUPID woman who constantly makes up issues to complain about.
Now shut up, go make a sandwich, leave me the hell alone, and stop derailing threads with your stupid feminazi rants about how you're such a victim, and how it's the fault of every single male on the planet.
Enough is enough, for f**k's sake.
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