The UCSB shooter--an Aspie with a rant against women

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Rodney, who do you think makes beer commercials?

Before you dismiss me as unstudied, you might want to review my citations from Susan Brownmiller elsewhere is the sub-form. http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt259504.html

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People attuned to what is "popular" culture, people who use demographic statistics, trends, and pay companies like Nielsen, etc. very handsomely. Not to mention who are risking billions a year to sell their stuff, and it works. Works for a reason.

I've mentioned this in a separate thread, but in the general "this wasn't representative, this guy was nuts" talk, I'd like to draw attention to the trending hashtag #yesallwomen.

I can certainly understand wanting to distance yourself from this guy, but it can't be a freak crazy outlier every time. Not when almost 12K women have been killed by husbands/boyfriends in the US since 9/11, according to FBI domestic-violence stats. (I can't link from my tablet; google "what war on women" for the chart that's making the rounds.)

The degree of animosity towards women is...well, it's certainly more virulent than anything I knew maybe 15, 20 years ago, but it's real and it's dangerous. Which is part of why I spend so much time on this site trying to lay the lines of "acceptable talk" and "unacceptable talk" so that hateful, objectifying, and just generally misogynist talk falls into "unacceptable". The way people think and talk has a good deal to do with the way they act.

I think there are many contributing factors here, as there are in many crimes. I don't think I've said entitlement alone caused him to murder. What I do see is that i) this entitlement turns up in a lot of places, including here, ii) if he did not have such a sense of entitlement, he may have been a more psychologically healthy individual and iii) there's a lot of umming and aahing over the possible causes, considering everything except misogynist entitlement - inded, actually dismissing it - in a pretty crude display of denial.

He was a lonely, frustrated, angry young man who went online and got sucked into (further) extremist thinking, wrote up a manifesto and planned a violent attack to endorse his ideology. The ideology was misogyny, and the planned victims were women. With just about anything else, this would be considered terrorism, and there'd be talk of the necessity of dealing with this kind of extremist thinking.

The bruised ego and the entitlement go hand in hand.

The reasons - 'rationalisations' - he gives are offensive, but such views are not uncommon. What I find more offensive is the willingness of people to ignore those very reasons. That any number of people come out unashamedly with variations on, 'well, he has a point...' - good grief.

That's not what I asked. I asked who makes the commercials. Men or women, in general? Who's writing these scripts, choosing the models, shooting the commercials? If you've got men recycling a damaging narrative -- you suck if you don't have a pretty gal on your arm -- at men, then what do you expect?

I cannot think of a single woman I know doing creative work who'd come up with a beer commercial like that.

And I've read Gibbon. But we're talking here about men's studies, not seminal writing on the birth of second-wave feminism.

The only way to stop this from happening again is more guns. Guns for teachers, guns for girls. Don't let those errant gun-totin' Aspies ruin your day!

(I should work in advertising)

I'm guessing the option of stricter gun control isn't on the table here. Despite the usual revulsion every time something like this happens I'm starting to think that mass murder and school shootings are perfectly acceptable in certain parts of the world, because in certain parts of the world, they happen far too often.

Say what you want about gender politics, but as an outside observer I think the dilution of testosterone in power can only be a good thing in civilised countries. If a bunch of women (nay mothers) ran the USA I imagine the NRA would be reduced to the status of an extremist group, and fewer people would be pointing guns at each other.

This guy is a fully mentally aware murderer, period.

I've remained virgin to early 30s and lost it to a gal (and with no penetration - so technically still virgin) who cheated on me. I was heart broken and devasted but I've never had any criminal thoughts toward anyone.

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Agreed. He should have been banned a long time ago.

My key learning - next time, I will be more vocal (to moderators) about eliminating this sort of vile from the community.

Umm some women accept the male dominated pop culture, by taking part in it. Positions one places himself/herself in is something Aspies often miss, as I once did. The ad agencies, and increasingly the boards of many companies are comprised of women. Hell, a very large portion of people who work in advertising are girls or gay men.

But that's all beside the point. The point is there seriously needs to be more gun control and therapists cannot seek the profession as a "lifestyle job." It kills. The guy probably did want both affection, love, etc. and sex. When you've gotten neither, you view them as one in the same (because they both seem to be equally unattainable bc of poor social skills, except prostitution which anyone can have). That in no way justifies harming anyone or being a cold blooded cowardly murderer. But I think much of the blame falls on the therapists and the parents...Why was he at a community college at age 22 when most people start four year colleges at 18? What failed to stop a CC student from thinking he was gonna get with 4 yr college sorority girls?? He was delusional.

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Well, things in posts seem to be disappearing and things I've quoted from those posts are disappearing too. I'm not being critical of the moderators, I think they do a good job and I appreciate their work. However, if anyone wonders what I was referring to in some of my posts, it's gone. And, that disappearance is a sign of good moderation.

well yea no one needs the 22 year old wannabe newscasters looking on this site for anything. NSAs probably already on it.

Link for the lazy/uninitiated:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/YesAllWomen?src=tren

It really is worth reading.

What you want is stability and someone to consider your thoughts, emotions and feelings am I correct?

So am I right when I say the culture is screwed up? How do I be virtuous in a non-virtuous culture?

Why aren't there more women scriptwriters to bring balance to the equation?

It's actually quite cool. Comments by one of the people who has demanded more moderation of sexism got deleted and the quotations of those in my posts got edited. It's cool because the moderators are clearly looking at the content in a gender neutral way.