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17 Aug 2014, 1:49 pm

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If it was easy, we would all be running around with a body like Schwarzenegger but the mind of a brainiac scientist and we all would have mastered day trading and the stock market on a beach in the bahamas but it's not that easy.

Schwarzenegger had good genetics, and was on Dianabol, Deca, Winstrol, and T3. Nevertheless, you don't have to be that big to be physically fit.

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The real limitations are time, money, genetics and skill. Please don't tell me genetics don't play a huge role in bodybuilding, Kurgan, because they do, the average man couldn't look like Schwarzenegger even if he pumped his body with two grams of tren and did a 5x5 routine with a great diet, he would get a lot stronger but he wouldn't have perfect body genetics.

To get the most out of Trenbolone, you need testosterone as well. The "average" man has a genetic maximum of anywhere between 120 kgs and 180 kgs (260-400 lbs) at the bench press naturally, but almost all people can become more muscular.

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To conclude, I think the gym is productive as long as you don't get obsessed with your body to the point that it becomes an unhealthy obsession in which you take dangerous diets or steroids to achieve your goals. It takes time to build a level of stamina, strength and muscular endurance. It is similar to any skill in life, you can't just jump into Quantum mechanics if you haven't gotten basic arithmetic down just like you can't bench press 300lbs without being crushed by that weight unless you have built up to that level through practice, discipline and skill.

There are different types of steroids; some are dangerous, others are not. Testosterone if you inject it, has almost no side effects apart from aromatization. Whether or not you'll have side effects from Dianabol, depends on your genetics. The difference between Dianabol and testosterone, is that one hydrogen atom is swapped with a carbon atom, to make it possible for the liver to make use of it. To some, this is harmless; to others, it can permanently destroy the liver.

I don't have an unhealthy obsession. I workout for roughly 8 hours per week, and still have free time. 300 lbs at the bench press with a mesomorphic bodytype, takes a year if you're not held back by illness and stuff like that.

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17 Aug 2014, 2:00 pm

Testosterone has a lot of sides, hair loss, gyno, moon face, aggression and not to mention it's bad for the heart and blood pressure. I would advise any one to stay away from steroids as they are very dangerous, some people even come out in boils taking them.

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17 Aug 2014, 2:14 pm

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Roid rage is a myth. There are never any fights in any of the local gyms were the percentage of steroid users are at 40-50%. Outside and inside of every f*cking nightclub, every f*cking weekend, in every f*cking city, there are fights and alcohol related violence, though. I previously mentioned aromatization (which leads to gyno). Almost all pharmacies that sell steroids also sell Nolvadex and other estrogen blockers that prevent this.

Testosterone usually won't harm your heart; bodybuilders who die of heart attacks, usually take Trenbolone and HGH + insulin. Getting drunk every weekend like so many born after 1980 do, does much more harm to your internal organs than Testosterone Enanthate does.

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17 Aug 2014, 4:08 pm

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

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17 Aug 2014, 4:23 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

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17 Aug 2014, 4:30 pm

Kurgan wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.

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17 Aug 2014, 4:32 pm

I've heard it referred to as "a ring and a rip-cord" (the rip-cord being the mechanism by which something expands, like a parachute - indicating that once the ring goes on the finger the "rip cord" gets pulled and woman starts expanding).

However, I have never been in a relationship but I got fat just like all my female relatives (except my mom).

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17 Aug 2014, 4:45 pm

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.

That whole notion is just silly. If someone wants to take steroids and isn't competing in a competitive sport, aside from pro-bodybuilding since everyone is on steroids, how is it cheating? Whom are they cheating, if it's for their own recreational use? I myself don't take them. I don't have the money, nor do I care to rely on them, atleast not at the moment. However when my testosterone levels start to lower in my 40s, I will see a doctor about getting test injections, if I feel I even need them. I think this would be an appropriate time to mention the phrase, "Do you even lift, bro?"

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17 Aug 2014, 4:46 pm

Now we've gotten way off topic.

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17 Aug 2014, 5:00 pm

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.

Not really although people who take steroids usually lie and claim they don't use them when discussing the subject IRL.

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17 Aug 2014, 5:06 pm

Venger wrote:

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.

Not really although people who take steroids usually lie and claim they don't use them when discussing the subject IRL.

It's banned from every sport even Olympic weightlifting so yes, it is cheating.

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17 Aug 2014, 5:15 pm

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Venger wrote:

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.

Not really although people who take steroids usually lie and claim they don't use them when discussing the subject IRL.

It's banned from every sport even Olympic weightlifting so yes, it is cheating.

What if you're not in the Olympics, or major sports? By the way it's not against the rules in the main pro-bodybuilding leagues. They don't even drug test, except for the "natural leagues". Even in the so called natural leagues they still take drugs, they just take ones that aren't detectable like HGH.

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17 Aug 2014, 5:18 pm

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Venger wrote:

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.

Not really although people who take steroids usually lie and claim they don't use them when discussing the subject IRL.

It's banned from every sport even Olympic weightlifting so yes, it is cheating.

It's only cheating if you get caught. Every olympic sprinter, le Tour De France cyclist, or IFBB professional is on a massive cocktail of drugs. EPO and HGH + insulin are both much more dangerous than any androgenic steroids. Usain Bolt never got caught, Lance Armstrong did get caught; the former is still a hero, the latter was chased with torches and pitchforks.

As far as prices go, an 8 week cycle of Test E, Deca, and various estrogen blockers is no more than a few hundred dollars. Less expensive than smoking, in other words. I'm not on any gear, but I'll probably start using Test E and less harmful drugs once I'm in my 30s and actually have spare time.

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17 Aug 2014, 5:22 pm

CommanderKeen wrote:

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Venger wrote:

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.

Not really although people who take steroids usually lie and claim they don't use them when discussing the subject IRL.

It's banned from every sport even Olympic weightlifting so yes, it is cheating.

Natural leagues can't afford to drug test the athletes, and thus, we have many "fake" naturals out there. A comprehensive drug test costs more than a thousand dollars. Even if there are drug tests, there are also loopholes.

Zyzz used gear, Scooby uses gear, Jeff Seid uses gear, Jim Stopani uses gear, Martin Berkhan uses gear, and the Hodge Twins use gear. Almost everyone who can bench press 330++ lbs and has visible abs (i.e. less than 8% bodyfat) is on gear. There are of course exceptions (so-called genetic freaks, like Steve Reeves and Georg Hackenschmidt).

On the other hand, with a bodyfat level of more than 15%, steroids won't grant you more than 15% extra on deadlifts or the bench press, and even less on squats, given that we have less androgen receptors in the legs than in the upper body.

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17 Aug 2014, 5:25 pm

Kurgan wrote:

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Venger wrote:

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.

Not really although people who take steroids usually lie and claim they don't use them when discussing the subject IRL.

It's banned from every sport even Olympic weightlifting so yes, it is cheating.

Nothing against it, but I wouldn't say afew hundreds dollars is cheap. My natural strength is decent enough at this stage. Right now I'm more concerned with joint support than taking anything for strength gains.

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17 Aug 2014, 5:27 pm

Kurgan wrote:

CommanderKeen wrote:

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Venger wrote:

AlexanderDantes wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Rage or not, it's not healthy.

Compared to smoking, junk food, and binge drinking, it's not unhealthy either.

It's unhealthy and cheating, anyone who takes steroids is a cheater.

Not really although people who take steroids usually lie and claim they don't use them when discussing the subject IRL.

It's banned from every sport even Olympic weightlifting so yes, it is cheating.

oh, didn't know that.

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