Attire – decoded
True. To refine this analogy further, it's best to just perfect what ever dish you are presenting.
Yes, but it might be nice to have more
than one possible meal. Chicken every
night gets boring.
Even if you want to present eccentricities, the way you view yourself with this stuff is going to be different than how others will view you. It's easy to just go with the flow and do what everyone else likes. It's also easy to just do your own thing.
Your missing how important that the way
you think about how you look effects others'
impressions. I sometimes go a bit more flash
than I feel; or my mood swings a little. When
breaking conventions, you HAVE to feel it. Even
if you pull a few odd comments. There are plenty
who do see and enjoy.
I haven't found that to be the case.
Look, people who can't juggle can
enjoy watching someone do so. People
too afraid to express themselves can
enjoy looking.
Again. Stop worrying so much about what others
think. As long as you worry so much, it will show,
and spoil the effect. Even of blending in.
than one possible meal. Chicken every
night gets boring.
Ah well, I was defining dish as just whatever style you have.
you think about how you look effects others'
impressions. I sometimes go a bit more flash
than I feel; or my mood swings a little. When
breaking conventions, you HAVE to feel it. Even
if you pull a few odd comments. There are plenty
who do see and enjoy.
I've seen this. Most people tell me they don't like it when people have long hair. I like having long hair... and feel more natural with it. And I get more positive experiences with the long hair.
Look, people who can't juggle can
enjoy watching someone do so. People
too afraid to express themselves can
enjoy looking.
People don't look when your natural style is kind of boring... Hawaiian shirts, Khaki pants, long hair... it's ultra comfortable though.
think. As long as you worry so much, it will show,
and spoil the effect. Even of blending in.
Apathy... is there anything it can't do...
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Wanting more than what I have might appear as greed.
Me too. Look, you don't go to a formal dance,
in your everyday clothes. But, you have to
learn to present THAT look too.
I probably go overboard here, but have many
different styles which I wear sometimes at
disconcerting times. Still, 'tis fun.
So revel in your style. Take such pleasure in
your comfort that you exude an aura of happiness.
I have been thinking about this. And in terms of attraction... it's about presenting something that someone else wants.
There are two types of doing what you want... there is really doing whatever you want. With no regard for any social expectations. Which is actually what I usually do... which thankfully the way I really want to look... isn't that strange.
But then there is knowing what people expect... and wearing what you want inside that range. Going with a food analogy, it's like if someone is expecting a poultry... there are many ways to prepare and make a poultry dish and personalize it... but in the end you can't give them a steak.
Clothes is so bizarre... since ideally it should just be about what a person wants to wear. But I am learning that clothes aren't that way at all... clothes are really for the other people around you... so that you convey the information about yourself in a way that they can interpret.
I really am starting to despise that the world works this way... but what are ya going to do...
No I'm pretty sure there is only one way. If you compromise it for someone else then you're just kidding yourself, you aren't doing what you want you're doing what someone else wants. You seem to think that you have to dress a certain way to impress people or get a date but that wrong too, there will always be someone who likes the way you dress for whatever silly reason, such as "You look more normal/comfortable/cool/natural" than the other people. No clothes don't send a message, people interpret a message based on what they've come to understand from the world around them, which means that any one person can get a variety of messages from a variety of different clothes making "fitting in" pointless and absurd.
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I think part of this (most of this) was targeted towards Aspies looking for NT dates. The normal isn't going to apply for aspie girls as it is for NT girls, and most if not all aspies I know, (Here or otherwise) are looking for AS dates. Like the shoe thing. I would never in a million years notice a shoe. Unless it was a suit with sneakers and then I'd say it's tacky. I don't givea hoot what shoes he wears.
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Speaking as an aspie female...
I am SO glad I stumbled upon an aspie male. Most fashion annoys me, and I dislike seeing someone else look uncomfortable almost as much as I dislike being uncomfortable. And it's funny, he says he loves seeing me in sweats (which actually, I rarely wear) because I look comfortable, and for him comfortable equates to sexy. "Who can feel sexy with a wedgie?" he asked. I don't know, apparently a lot of people. Not me, but then, with him, I don't have to
This isn't to say I don't clean up and look nice. I do. Do I follow fashion? My no. I put on something clean and neat that is comfortable and flatters me. I pay no mind to trends. I buy what I like. Bottom line. The NTs have never seemed to begrudge me a date. I've always broken off those relationships. Heh.
Good advice though, it's quite interesting to know what everyone is thinking. Clothing as non-verbal language is a really good way of putting it.
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I like fashion. It's fun, and it can be creative. Fashion has relatively little or nothing to do with style. Fashion is mass merchandising, style is purely individual. I usually go on men's fashion sites like men.style.com and see if I can interpret this or that look to suit me. Then it becomes part of my style. The absolute biggest mistake people make is not lack of style, but lack of fit and wrong proportions. As a son of a proud Italian man and a French woman, I learned about fit and proportion when I was very young. I have everything, even T-shirts sometimes, fitted at the tailor's, who happens to be Italian. It makes me feel good, it doesn't cost much (I always add alterations to the price of any garment I buy), I look great in my clothes and it continues an age old Italian tradition.
And, by the way, it takes just as much time and effort to put on a nice shirt and pants than it does to put an XXXL t-shirt with sweat stains and pyjama like clown pants.
Clothing is absolutely a form of language.
Okay, wondering about this. (Not for any real purpose, mind you... it's just an aimless curiosity.
)
My friend's ex-girlfriend told me that a guy wearing a sportcoat + blue jeans = very hot. She kept insisting this was the case, despite my thinking it sounded strange. She acted like women are hardwired to find a guy in jeans and a sportcoat very attractive. Why? Was does this attire signify? "I'm a professional, but I'm also fairly rugged"? And, is her claim true, or does only she and certain other women like her find this attractive?
(BTW, her advice is responsible for my goatee.)
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My friend's ex-girlfriend told me that a guy wearing a sportcoat + blue jeans = very hot. She kept insisting this was the case, despite my thinking it sounded strange. She acted like women are hardwired to find a guy in jeans and a sportcoat very attractive. Why? Was does this attire signify? "I'm a professional, but I'm also fairly rugged"? And, is her claim true, or does only she and certain other women like her find this attractive?
(BTW, her advice is responsible for my goatee.)
This is the reason why some women like a sport coat and blue jeans: the sport coat makes you look neat (women usually HATE sloppy, it sends a message of bad hygiene and loser mentality), and it gives the illusion that you are successful; it's also great to hide most men's imperfections, so it kinda looks good on anybody, and the blue jeans adds that touch of "bad boy" that wets women's... whistle. It's a pretty fool proof combo. I will sometimes wear one of my most expensive and best tailored jackets with faded ripped jeans, or with leather jeans.
This is the reason why some women like a sport coat and blue jeans: the sport coat makes you look neat (women usually HATE sloppy, it sends a message of bad hygiene and loser mentality), and it gives the illusion that you are successful; it's also great to hide most men's imperfections, so it kinda looks good on anybody, and the blue jeans adds that touch of "bad boy" that wets women's... whistle. It's a pretty fool proof combo. I will sometimes wear one of my most expensive and best tailored jackets with faded ripped jeans, or with leather jeans.
I am no expert, just have to go by some bit of anecdotal evidence.
But I believe I get slightly more positive female attention when I have long hair, and dress in my usual business casual sort of way. If I am not wearing a hawaiian shirt, I like to just wear short sleeve button shirts... that I always tuck in.
It's usually more dressed up than normal casual wear, but I don't wear t-shirts that often... and don't like those shirts not tucked in. And I try to be clean shaven.
But I like having long hair, like a 70's Prog-Rocker... well not that long yet. But I just let it grow out for about a year and then get it cut. I do shampoo it and condition it and try to make it look nice... but I don't spend a lot of time trimming it... it just grows as a mop.
So I have the slightly more presentable look of tucked in shirts and khaki pants, combined with the extremely casual long hair.
Which I believe gives the same results as the blue jeans/sport coat thing.
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Wonder what it feels like to be in love?
How would you describe it, like a push or shove?
Guess I could pretend that this is all I need
Wanting more than what I have might appear as greed.
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hmm... this site is pretty helpful so for with my... em... peculiarities. (Yes, i am an Aspie, 100% approved by a shrink
). Its a lot easier to communicate thru text than face to face... wow. Alot of my problems are prolly more confidence related than anything.
Well, i dunno what would exactly be thought of my dressing habits, and what i could do with a little change in. Some basic info, then ill say what types of stuff i normally wear or whatever.
Im a guy, pretty tall, average build.
AGE: 19, Hair, shortish medium brown.
Casual Wear: Jeans and a T-shirt, sometimes with a Zip-up hoodie. Jeans are usually Darker blue in color and somewhat baggy in the leggs, but still a slightly tight waistline. T-shirt is usually A black band shirt (either Iron maiden or Metallica) and is a bit large, A Long sleeved Black shirt that is tight on me and has a red/silver design on the front. (A silver dragon with a red aura around it), a Green pocket tee that has japanese samurai art in the upper left corner. If i wear a hoodie, its usually a black Zip-up hoodie, either my Fender one, a plain black one, or a Dragonforce one.
NOTE: I hate wearing hats, and i dont like wearing more colorful stuff.
EDIT: forgot to add the occasional button up that i wear with jeans sometimes. Its either a white button up i like to wair open during the warm weather, and sometimes tend to wear a muscleshirt underneath. Sometimes ill wear a Hawwiian shirt or two also.
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