Fear of trusting, opening up to NT's

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29 Nov 2006, 3:18 pm

I want to thank everyone who responded to my previous post. I was so touched with the heartfelt advice. It _really_ helped me. Learning about the sensory overload that Aspies experience has opened up my eyes to having to be more sensitive and give a lot of space. I feared another breakup with the man that I'm involved with. He was very resistant to opening up, trusting, talking about anything emotional. He still hasn't admitted that he probably has AS (won't even mention the word), but he has started to talk finally (and I am _so_ happy!) I know that pushing too much was making him retreat more, however, I felt that if I didn't call him out on some issues we were having that he would never realise our problems. I feel that if we are to move forward together that we had to address the different way that we relate, or in his case, not relate, to each other. He is always saying that he's hopeless, will never have a relationship work out and that he should be alone. Past relationships didn't work out, and he's already gotten scared and broken up with me once before. Now he wants to talk and find out what actions he's taken or not taken that have upset me. Taking the advice that I was given here, I did back off a bit and wait. And I was rewarded. Wow. I can't recommend the book, 'Asperger Syndrome and Long-Term Relationships' by Ashley Stanford enough. I am reading everything I can on the subject. I know that staying in this relationship isn't going to be easy, however, the man that I'm with is such an intelligent, funny, interesting, sweet guy. I see that the difficulty he has showing empathy, affection, etc. isn't his fault. I want to thank the members that have responded to my posts for not treating me like the enemy. NT's can be cruel to Aspies, but we just need to be educated. We do have our problems, too.



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29 Nov 2006, 3:57 pm

You're quite welcome and I'm glad I was able to help you. And thank you for the update, as well. It's nice to hear from you again. :)



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29 Nov 2006, 4:34 pm

Riverdale wrote:
I want to thank everyone who responded to my previous post. I was so touched with the heartfelt advice. It _really_ helped me. Learning about the sensory overload that Aspies experience has opened up my eyes to having to be more sensitive and give a lot of space. I feared another breakup with the man that I'm involved with. He was very resistant to opening up, trusting, talking about anything emotional. He still hasn't admitted that he probably has AS (won't even mention the word), but he has started to talk finally (and I am _so_ happy!) I know that pushing too much was making him retreat more, however, I felt that if I didn't call him out on some issues we were having that he would never realise our problems. I feel that if we are to move forward together that we had to address the different way that we relate, or in his case, not relate, to each other. He is always saying that he's hopeless, will never have a relationship work out and that he should be alone. Past relationships didn't work out, and he's already gotten scared and broken up with me once before. Now he wants to talk and find out what actions he's taken or not taken that have upset me. Taking the advice that I was given here, I did back off a bit and wait. And I was rewarded. Wow. I can't recommend the book, 'Asperger Syndrome and Long-Term Relationships' by Ashley Stanford enough. I am reading everything I can on the subject. I know that staying in this relationship isn't going to be easy, however, the man that I'm with is such an intelligent, funny, interesting, sweet guy. I see that the difficulty he has showing empathy, affection, etc. isn't his fault. I want to thank the members that have responded to my posts for not treating me like the enemy. NT's can be cruel to Aspies, but we just need to be educated. We do have our problems, too.


Awwwwww.........how sweet a thank you. Next book: "Loving Mr. Spock." Yes, I understand that you have your problems also but because they are the problems the majority have, they are accounted for to a certain extent and probably not thought of as a problem. In the same way, since the majority of the population is right-handed, most things are right-handed. If I was sarcastic towards you/treated you like the enemy/made some stupid jokes - please don't take it personally - I insult most things that move and some things that don't.

Anyway, "The greatest gift is a noble friend, the 2nd greatest is a noble enemy"


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29 Nov 2006, 10:49 pm

Wish you all success in your relationship ... thanks for the nice post



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02 Dec 2006, 11:56 am

No, you weren't sarcastic, etc. to me personally. What I meant about feeling like the
enemy is that there is alot of dislike, even hate, on this site by Aspies for NT's. I wouldn't even presume to know what it's like to be in an Aspie's shoes, and I know that
they have been treated horribly by many NT's. Still, I think that everyone needs someone, and you shouldn't shut yourself off from people. That is just my opinion. I'm still trying to understand that many Aspies don't feel the loss of having human contact, someone special in their lives. Is that true?



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03 Dec 2006, 8:45 am

Riverdale wrote:
No, you weren't sarcastic, etc. to me personally. What I meant about feeling like the
enemy is that there is alot of dislike, even hate, on this site by Aspies for NT's. I wouldn't even presume to know what it's like to be in an Aspie's shoes, and I know that
they have been treated horribly by many NT's. Still, I think that everyone needs someone, and you shouldn't shut yourself off from people. That is just my opinion. I'm still trying to understand that many Aspies don't feel the loss of having human contact, someone special in their lives. Is that true?


Wow! This is about the 7th sensible NT I've heard from in 16 years. ((Excluding family and honourary family like godmothers e.t.c .))
Okay, you're making a lot of sense - you make a refreshing change from CAN/DAN/FAN.
Well, for me, I can manage on less social contact. Like some people need less sleep than others. When I first started feeling it, it wasn't actually me, it was external sources.

You have to remember though, If you've met one aspie...you've met one aspie.


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04 Dec 2006, 11:52 am

Thank you for the compliment! I'm flattered. I think that the big problem with NT's
is that we just have NO IDEA about Asperger's Syndrome. I know that if this were a
perfect world, that everyone would be kind to 'geeks,' the awkward and shy, handicapped, etc. We shouldn't have to know that someone has AS to treat them decently. Family, partners, teachers, etc. though, need to know so we can have better
relationships and understanding. What is CAN/DAN/FAN? Are you saying what I said
isn't the same old, same old? As in that people keep telling you that you should try harder, be more like an NT? BTW, I am going to be ordering the book, "Loving Mr.
Spock." I had read some reviews on Amazon. Thanks for the tip.



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04 Dec 2006, 3:36 pm

Riverdale wrote:
Thank you for the compliment! I'm flattered. I think that the big problem with NT's
is that we just have NO IDEA about Asperger's Syndrome. I know that if this were a
perfect world, that everyone would be kind to 'geeks,' the awkward and shy, handicapped, etc. We shouldn't have to know that someone has AS to treat them decently. Family, partners, teachers, etc. though, need to know so we can have better
relationships and understanding. What is CAN/DAN/FAN? Are you saying what I said
isn't the same old, same old? As in that people keep telling you that you should try harder, be more like an NT? BTW, I am going to be ordering the book, "Loving Mr.
Spock." I had read some reviews on Amazon. Thanks for the tip.


Okay....I was telling you the truth as I percieved it. I think a lot of it is that and in the school enviroment, difference isn't really that tolerated. I think some of the peers would be helped a bit but that's just me. Unfortuanlty this isn't a perfect world and unfortunatley, there's a world of difference between what SHOULD be and what IS. What are CAN/FAN/DAN? Cure Autism Now/Fight Autism Now/Defeat Autism Now, respectively. Of course, it depends on who you ask. If you see anyone here vehemently objecting to it, then don't think they're loopy. ((Well, I am loopy but that's beside the point.)) The trouble is, they mask words, using deliberate double-meanings. When they say 'cure', they DO NOT mean 'treat', they mean 'eradacite'. I AM saying that what you said isn't the same old, same old. I was talking about idots at school, more to be honest with you. Enjoy!


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04 Dec 2006, 5:27 pm

What do you- and anyone else- think of compromise with Aspies/NT relationships, whether they be romantic, family, etc.?



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04 Dec 2006, 5:34 pm

Riverdale wrote:
No, you weren't sarcastic, etc. to me personally. What I meant about feeling like the
enemy is that there is alot of dislike, even hate, on this site by Aspies for NT's. I wouldn't even presume to know what it's like to be in an Aspie's shoes, and I know that
they have been treated horribly by many NT's. Still, I think that everyone needs someone, and you shouldn't shut yourself off from people. That is just my opinion. I'm still trying to understand that many Aspies don't feel the loss of having human contact, someone special in their lives. Is that true?


From my experience and if you were to ask me, it depends on the Aspie's mindset. For example, with me, if I were in a positive mindset, I'd agree with you on this, that everyone needs someone, that is, even Aspie's. Some Aspies are okay with solitity (solitude). Some just don't know how to express their want (need?) for someone who isn't gonna use them like toilet paper.

On the flipside, however, there's the negative mindset, one I'm in now. Right now, I feel like it's not worth trying to seek human contact, especially in regards to what I'm seeking. In short, I feel like what I'm looking for, what I need in a relationship, is non-existant. I would think Aspies in a negative mindset would somewhat think along the lines I'm thinking now, a mindset of hopelessness, despair, and a general 'F**k-it-all' demeanor about them.

Overall, I guess I could say, for myself, at least, I'd like to think there's someone out there for me. However, the evidence is stacked against my favor in what I need, so until I'm proved wrong, I'll continue to think it's not really worth it, that there's nobody out there for me. For other Aspies regarding this, the response will differ. All I can give is an account of what I think and feel, and that is always honest and true.



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04 Dec 2006, 7:30 pm

Can I ask what you are seeking? What kind of person do you need? Do you think that you can compromise a little if you found someone that meets part of your criteria?



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04 Dec 2006, 7:49 pm

I just saw your answer while reading the post, 'Do you believe in different types of love?' Do you belong to a church or religious organization?



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05 Dec 2006, 10:08 am

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I just saw your answer while reading the post, 'Do you believe in different types of love?' Do you belong to a church or religious organization?


I wouldn't exactly say I belong to one, no, as I'm spiritual, not religious. I've been going to church with my Pentecostal cousin, who's been nothing but supportive and helpful in my time of need. It's not just her, however, it's the entire congregation. They treat me and deal with me on a level I've always wanted to be treated on, on my level, something my own family (parents and sister) and other relatives never seemed to have been able to do. It's something I greatly appreciate my cousin and her congregation for.

Anywho, off-topic tangent aside, I go to a religious organization, but I'm not a member of one. :D; And as you probably read in 'Do you believe in different types of love?', I'm rather strict/picky/uncompromising. I see it as a good thing, though, to know what I want and where to cross the lines. :D; I just wished more people could be more...tolerant of my unique perspective on this.



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12 Dec 2006, 6:57 pm

Wow you seem like a really nice person riverdale. I would like to meet a girl like you in real life. :D


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From my experience and if you were to ask me, it depends on the Aspie's mindset. For example, with me, if I were in a positive mindset, I'd agree with you on this, that everyone needs someone, that is, even Aspie's. Some Aspies are okay with solitity (solitude). Some just don't know how to express their want (need?) for someone who isn't gonna use them like toilet paper.

On the flipside, however, there's the negative mindset, one I'm in now. Right now, I feel like it's not worth trying to seek human contact, especially in regards to what I'm seeking. In short, I feel like what I'm looking for, what I need in a relationship, is non-existant. I would think Aspies in a negative mindset would somewhat think along the lines I'm thinking now, a mindset of hopelessness, despair, and a general 'F**k-it-all' demeanor about them.

Overall, I guess I could say, for myself, at least, I'd like to think there's someone out there for me. However, the evidence is stacked against my favor in what I need, so until I'm proved wrong, I'll continue to think it's not really worth it, that there's nobody out there for me. For other Aspies regarding this, the response will differ. All I can give is an account of what I think and feel, and that is always honest and true.


Oh yeh, you ought to hear some of my negative catchphrases from a few months ago. Since then, I found myself an aspie boyfriend.


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14 Dec 2006, 1:54 am

I see nothing wrong with dating an NT.

my first girlfriend was an NT.

a lot of my close girl-friends are NT.

the way I see it, the more NT friends you have, the more you learn. and by that, you start becoming more socially aware, and with that, you gain a greater knowledge.

really simple.