men who can talk to women

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but can never get into a relationship. what are these men doing wrong?
There are a ton of men who can easily talk to women, possible better than some
men who do dates. However they can never get a women to date them. They
are always put into the ''friendzone''. Alot of times men who get put into ''friendzone''
are often describe as being ''nice'' and ''sweet'' and ''good guy''
are they just ugly. Do they get mistaken as being gay.

The last 2 usually. Beta males. They try the creepy Otaku method of making friendships for the sole purpose of developing relationships. They spend so much time building the friendship and fearing losing it (thus losing their chance of getting the girl) that they end up being friendzoned anyway because they aren't displaying signs of attraction, responding to subtle cues and showing confidence to initiate and more.

Anyways, Bill. As much as your threads are interesting topics don't you think you should cool it a little? The first page of threads is almost like, all by you. Is dating a special interest? I know how that can be. I was obsessed with it for a good few years.

^^I'd hardly call that creepy. On the contrary I think it's a lot more creepy to hit on complete strangers, and it's a lot more shallow, too.

Perhaps but the NT mindset will see it this way:
--The hit on strangers approach if done right is simply upfront and honest from the get go.
--The method I described would be seen as a disingenuous act where a man goes into a friendship with ulterior motives, a bit like grooming someone.

Maybe that is why I have such difficulty getting dates. I need to be friends with somebody before I can have a romantic relationship, and they probably interpret it wrong. It seems as if dating/friendship are completely different for women, also the aspie girls I've dated.

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OMG hahaha!

acquaintance is the easiest base relationship to date out of, something like being in a class together, volunteering at the same place, being at a mutual friend's party, not a stranger but not a friend. I think this is part of why dating can be so challenging for us in a way it isn't for nt's, were more likely to have a few very close friends not a casual social circle.
Just talking to somebody doesn't guarantee dates, nothing does. I've never dated someone who couldn't talk to me, but I've had plenty of pleasant conversations with people without wanting to date them. If someone has good social skills and is at least average looking, they may just need to meet more people.

I've taken the nuclear option of just not talking to women at all really.

So even if they're literally dying to ride you senseless and are making every effort to get that across, you won't talk to them?

I've usually got no idea when a girl is meaning such things, since apparently I'm pretty bad at interpreting nonverbal cues. One time I didn't know a girl was trying to ask me out (for a one night stand) until she wrote her phone number down. I was just like "Why is she talking to me for?" In highschool this girl kept grabbing my butt in class, and I thought she was making fun of me. I didn't realize later that meant "I want to bone you." So I'm fairly ret*d in the social department.

Also, I don't know what to talk with women about. I've had like 20 minute conversations with strangers at Walmart from asking a guy about motor oil, I've never had equivalent with women really.

Also, I do want a relationship, not just one night stand type things. Partially because religiously, I'm prohibited from premarital sex, but I figure if I do end up having it (as apparently like 90%+ of people do) it'd be better if I was in a relationship. I'd probably do reasonably well if my goal was one night stands, as it seems to me it is as easy as it is in the cartoon I posted, and I've been told I'm good looking. I dunno.

This makes me kind of angry because it seems like the cartoon is saying that all guys who want to make friends with girls are like this guy. What if I sincerely have to have an emotional connection with a girl before I can date her? What if just being acquaintances doesn't give me enough information for me to decide if dating would be worth it? What if I can't get erections around women I don't have some sort of emotional attachment to? Am I just screwed?

Yep, you are just screwed. On a more serious note, I guess the best thing to do is just try to find a middle ground between my cartoon and her cartoon. Ugh middle grounds. I hate them. And no, I've not figured out how exactly to do that yet.

What that cartoon is about is being true about your own feelings instead of hiding them to start a relationship of any kind and building resentment towards others for doing things that hurt this feelings they havent been made aware of as far as I know

yep. Or ignores the ones that dont get to liking a girl until after theyre friends.

It seemed pretty clear to me that it was talking about the guys who befriend girls ONLY as a means to getting a relationship.