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31 Dec 2014, 6:45 am

I have always looked at dating as a bizarre NT thing I don't understand and is of no use to me at all. That's not the same as not wanting relationships, I've had several and am currently there, but the structure of dating both has no appeal and the way I live my life just isn't a thing that happens. I get to know people through hobbies or occasionally work and I mutually identify people I want to be in a relationship with, and none of these weird date-like things happen.

I'm not even sure how I would get a standard first date, it sounds like somehow I end up semi-randomly picking someone I have a vanishingly unlikely chance of ever being attracted to, follow a bunch of painfully dull NT conventions I would struggle with, be expected to be terribly judgemental of them if they break any, and it all seems a bit daft and pointless really. I just do stuff I enjoy, which naturally results in meeting similar people who enjoy the same things.

So if you're having trouble getting past date [number], or can't get dates, scrap them! There are other ways of meeting and entering relationships with people.



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31 Dec 2014, 6:53 am

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I have always looked at dating as a bizarre NT thing I don't understand and is of no use to me at all. That's not the same as not wanting relationships, I've had several and am currently there, but the structure of dating both has no appeal and the way I live my life just isn't a thing that happens. I get to know people through hobbies or occasionally work and I mutually identify people I want to be in a relationship with, and none of these weird date-like things happen.

I'm not even sure how I would get a standard first date, it sounds like somehow I end up semi-randomly picking someone I have a vanishingly unlikely chance of ever being attracted to, follow a bunch of painfully dull NT conventions I would struggle with, be expected to be terribly judgemental of them if they break any, and it all seems a bit daft and pointless really. I just do stuff I enjoy, which naturally results in meeting similar people who enjoy the same things.

So if you're having trouble getting past date [number], or can't get dates, scrap them! There are other ways of meeting and entering relationships with people.


I'm under the impression that dating has changed enormously in the last 30 or 40 years.

30 or 40 years ago, dating was not at all necessarily involving any kind of commitment at all. From what I was told in the 90s, college kids were no longer dating -- they were hanging out together and sometimes pairing off, but not dating and that dating was not often done without some kind of relationship between the two.

Do I understand that correctly?



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31 Dec 2014, 9:58 am

I really don't have a clue. Maybe that's true and my method is perfectly normal, even for NT. In which case maybe the problem some people on this forum are having is that they're trying to imitate a system they've seen on TV but which doesn't actually exist any more. Or at least following the 30 year old rules of it.



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31 Dec 2014, 2:58 pm

pj4990 wrote:
I get to know people through hobbies or occasionally work and I mutually identify people I want to be in a relationship with, and none of these weird date-like things happen.


This is actually how most people meet. For some of the oddball people that doesn't work, so they have to find other ways.



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31 Dec 2014, 4:49 pm

But traditional dating seems like the worst possible way for oddballs.



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31 Dec 2014, 10:27 pm

pj4990 wrote:
I really don't have a clue. Maybe that's true and my method is perfectly normal, even for NT. In which case maybe the problem some people on this forum are having is that they're trying to imitate a system they've seen on TV but which doesn't actually exist any more. Or at least following the 30 year old rules of it.


I agree with this. These rules are weird to me and I am a NT/BPD girl. :wink:

I never had a date with a random stranger and it would be awkward to me. My aspie boyfriend was already in my group of friends so I knew a little bit about him. He was shy, I found him cute, I invited him and we kissed. Yes, I took the lead. :) There were no fancy restaurants and no boring discussions. We were just two friends having fun and arguing about whether Nutella was better than peanut butter on breakfast.



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31 Dec 2014, 10:40 pm

vanille wrote:
pj4990 wrote:
I really don't have a clue. Maybe that's true and my method is perfectly normal, even for NT. In which case maybe the problem some people on this forum are having is that they're trying to imitate a system they've seen on TV but which doesn't actually exist any more. Or at least following the 30 year old rules of it.


I agree with this. These rules are weird to me and I am a NT/BPD girl. :wink:

I never had a date with a random stranger and it would be awkward to me. My aspie boyfriend was already in my group of friends so I knew a little bit about him. He was shy, I found him cute, I invited him and we kissed. Yes, I took the lead. :) There were no fancy restaurants and no boring discussions. We were just two friends having fun and arguing about whether Nutella was better than peanut butter on breakfast.


My first date in college was with someone who I never met until I went over to pick her up at her dorm room. That wasn't seen as odd at all in 1972. Her roommate had set up the date.



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01 Jan 2015, 5:54 am

You probably have rituals or traditions/patterns you have established for yourself. Societies are the same, but reflect collective consciousness. But they are not laws per se. I think what's important is how much stock your date takes in various things. When differing attitudes meet, the middle is a good place to start.



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01 Jan 2015, 8:02 am

vanille wrote:
pj4990 wrote:
I really don't have a clue. Maybe that's true and my method is perfectly normal, even for NT. In which case maybe the problem some people on this forum are having is that they're trying to imitate a system they've seen on TV but which doesn't actually exist any more. Or at least following the 30 year old rules of it.


I agree with this. These rules are weird to me and I am a NT/BPD girl. :wink:

I never had a date with a random stranger and it would be awkward to me. My aspie boyfriend was already in my group of friends so I knew a little bit about him. He was shy, I found him cute, I invited him and we kissed. Yes, I took the lead. :) There were no fancy restaurants and no boring discussions. We were just two friends having fun and arguing about whether Nutella was better than peanut butter on breakfast.


Nutella.



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01 Jan 2015, 8:16 am

pj4990 wrote:
But traditional dating seems like the worst possible way for oddballs.


Absolutely. I've written that on numerous occasions now, but few seems to agree.



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01 Jan 2015, 10:14 am

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I'm under the impression that dating has changed enormously in the last 30 or 40 years.

30 or 40 years ago, dating was not at all necessarily involving any kind of commitment at all. From what I was told in the 90s, college kids were no longer dating -- they were hanging out together and sometimes pairing off, but not dating and that dating was not often done without some kind of relationship between the two.

Do I understand that correctly?
Does this shed any light on the subject? ==> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/01/random-hook-ups-or-dry-spells-why-millennials-flunk-college-dating.html


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01 Jan 2015, 11:31 am

Interesting, and parts look familiar. I'm not sure why they felt the need to mention social media, probably because every social commentary is expected to, it's not relevant. That hookup culture was around when I started my studies, and Facebook only took off part way through.

Hooking up while drunk out clubbing and traditional dating aren't the only options, both are equally unappealing. I actually prefer the former, that involves some sort of mutual attraction, wheras if I went on a date I have a horrible feeling I would be expected to subject myself to some sort of mild physical violation by someone I was completely uninterested in because I had spent an evening out without actively disliking them (or was too polite to say I had developed such a dislike).

They both sound pretty rubbish really, and even more rubbish if you're an oddball.



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02 Jan 2015, 7:41 am

No idea. I don't anymore. :P



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02 Jan 2015, 8:35 am

Pj4990 I think that most people do want to meet someone as they go about their everyday life and dating is a bit of a forced situation. The thing is if you just are not meeting someone then actually dating people feels like you are making an effort to change your life rather than sitting on your butt waiting for someone to turn up.

A friend asked me years ago if my friend would say yes if his friend asked her out. I said, no, she doesn't even know him. He said, that's the point of a date. So she can get to know him.

Personally I prefer the meeting someone through friends and getting to know them that way method. It so far has not worked for me, but I know people it has worked for.



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02 Jan 2015, 8:56 am

I don't understand the point, since there is virtually nothing in between being the person that others fantasize and dream about, and being the person that people settle for when they can't get anybody else.


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02 Jan 2015, 9:21 am

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A friend asked me years ago if my friend would say yes if his friend asked her out. I said, no, she doesn't even know him. He said, that's the point of a date. So she can get to know him.


This is kind of why it's utterly pointless for me. To select someone at random, there's about a 0.5% chance if that (maybe more like 0.1% if there's no selection bias to my type of person at all) that getting to know them better would result in any sort of attraction. If we say an average of 1 date a week and 2 dates per person, that's many, many years of dating before any relationship at all is likely to happen, and probably a couple of lifetimes before finding a long-term successful one. This is why it seems far more productive to do activities which result in meeting groups of people and with a large bias towards people I get on with (which isn't even my main motive for doing those things).