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25 Dec 2007, 10:52 pm

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He's referencing the stereotype of Emos being overly emotional. Which is so far off the mark it's sad because when you think about it Emo started with Punk bands life Fugazi, or Rites of Spring, not overly emotional at all. That more or less died out some time during the 80s though so what is being Stereotyped is actually the fans of artists who became associated with remanants of Emo that became popular. He wasn't really having anything to do with Emo at all, just feeling bad about experiencing emotions more than is typically acceptable.


Emo is not the same as its punk origins; besides which, the original post had nothing to do with the musical genre. The other kind of emo is pretty much what I described above.


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27 Dec 2007, 1:20 pm

I cant get my art on paper on. The scanner had technical difficulties. Ill recreate it in paint.



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03 Jan 2008, 3:01 am

WurdBendur wrote:
Deus_ex_machina wrote:
He's referencing the stereotype of Emos being overly emotional. Which is so far off the mark it's sad because when you think about it Emo started with Punk bands life Fugazi, or Rites of Spring, not overly emotional at all. That more or less died out some time during the 80s though so what is being Stereotyped is actually the fans of artists who became associated with remanants of Emo that became popular. He wasn't really having anything to do with Emo at all, just feeling bad about experiencing emotions more than is typically acceptable.


Emo is not the same as its punk origins; besides which, the original post had nothing to do with the musical genre. The other kind of emo is pretty much what I described above.


I don't know if what you call "emo" can truly be called anything, it's so vague and it's used to often that it's become useless. It's no different than calling someone a "loser" or any other insult.

"Dark music?" that could be Black Sabbath, Styx, Marilyn Manson, Suicide (Formed before Punk even came about) or it could be any old Punk band.


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03 Jan 2008, 9:33 am

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Okay, I'm not sure we're thinking of the same "emo". Let me make a list:
  • angry at your mom
  • visualizing blood
  • picking at a cut in order to draw said blood (just short of cutting itself)
  • listening to dark music
  • drawing (no offense) sh***y dark "art" featuring blood, at night, with the full moon
  • an obvious cry for help
Now, how does this emo thing work again?


I'm sorry but I thought the exact same thing

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
He's referencing the stereotype of Emos being overly emotional. Which is so far off the mark it's sad because when you think about it Emo started with Punk bands life Fugazi, or Rites of Spring, not overly emotional at all. That more or less died out some time during the 80s though so what is being Stereotyped is actually the fans of artists who became associated with remanants of Emo that became popular. He wasn't really having anything to do with Emo at all, just feeling bad about experiencing emotions more than is typically acceptable.


Things change. Old emo has very little or nothing to do with new emo. You'd probably find it hard to find a modern emo (one who openly conforms to the stereotype) who would know who Fugazi or Rites Of Spring are. And I'd challenge the overly-emotional thing into just being teenage.


I didn't want to bring it up for fear of sounding mean, but someone else did, so...



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03 Jan 2008, 9:38 am

Dark music could be anything from Tom Waits to the Manic Street Preachers and back, depending on what your fancy is.



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03 Jan 2008, 4:24 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
I don't know if what you call "emo" can truly be called anything, it's so vague and it's used to often that it's become useless. It's no different than calling someone a "loser" or any other insult.


Emo kids wear girls' pants, have long hair that covers one or both eyes, listen to "emo" music (some of which is basically depressive punk, while others are just generally emotional or dramatic), and usually have LiveJournals where they overuse a thesaurus while writing free verse about the darkness in their hearts.

Sure, they don't all conform to the stereatype, but you can hardly call this vague and meaningless.

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"Dark music?" that could be Black Sabbath, Styx, Marilyn Manson, Suicide (Formed before Punk even came about) or it could be any old Punk band.


Okay, "dark music" isn't the best description of emo. It's just the term that Nairin used, and I guess he could have been listening to Wagner for all I know.

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06 Jan 2008, 12:59 pm

chinapig wrote:
WurdBendur wrote:
Okay, I'm not sure we're thinking of the same "emo". Let me make a list:
  • angry at your mom
  • visualizing blood
  • picking at a cut in order to draw said blood (just short of cutting itself)
  • listening to dark music
  • drawing (no offense) sh***y dark "art" featuring blood, at night, with the full moon
  • an obvious cry for help
Now, how does this emo thing work again?


I'm sorry but I thought the exact same thing

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
He's referencing the stereotype of Emos being overly emotional. Which is so far off the mark it's sad because when you think about it Emo started with Punk bands life Fugazi, or Rites of Spring, not overly emotional at all. That more or less died out some time during the 80s though so what is being Stereotyped is actually the fans of artists who became associated with remanants of Emo that became popular. He wasn't really having anything to do with Emo at all, just feeling bad about experiencing emotions more than is typically acceptable.


Things change. Old emo has very little or nothing to do with new emo. You'd probably find it hard to find a modern emo (one who openly conforms to the stereotype) who would know who Fugazi or Rites Of Spring are. And I'd challenge the overly-emotional thing into just being teenage.


I didn't want to bring it up for fear of sounding mean, but someone else did, so...


Yes I understand all of that first paragraph. What I'm saying is that what exists today can't really be called Emo, because it can be applied to a whole bunch of bands with nothing in common. Post-Hardcore? Emo. Pop Punk? Emo. Anything with emotional content is labeled emo. And anything with non-standard singing is screamo.


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06 Jan 2008, 1:07 pm

WurdBendur wrote:
Deus_ex_machina wrote:
I don't know if what you call "emo" can truly be called anything, it's so vague and it's used to often that it's become useless. It's no different than calling someone a "loser" or any other insult.


Emo kids wear girls' pants, have long hair that covers one or both eyes, listen to "emo" music (some of which is basically depressive punk, while others are just generally emotional or dramatic), and usually have LiveJournals where they overuse a thesaurus while writing free verse about the darkness in their hearts.

Sure, they don't all conform to the stereatype, but you can hardly call this vague and meaningless.

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
"Dark music?" that could be Black Sabbath, Styx, Marilyn Manson, Suicide (Formed before Punk even came about) or it could be any old Punk band.


Okay, "dark music" isn't the best description of emo. It's just the term that Nairin used, and I guess he could have been listening to Wagner for all I know.

O fortuna!


But that isn't the truth at all, living in Australia you could often be mistaken for an emo if you're a Goth because Goth isn't so well known around here. In fact in some parts of the world Punk, Metal, Goth, Emo, all get lumped in with each other to varying degrees it's just that emo is the least well defined. Wearing one set of clothes in one area of the world might have you accepted and other people called emo, and then in another it's a different set and in another place a different set again, it even varies between the people who self identify as emo.


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