How strong do movies influence in a kid's psyche?

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02 Dec 2006, 1:31 am

Saw days ago a movie called The Last Days of Disco, in it, there's a moment
where one of the girls brings to topic the Lady and the Tramp movie, and then
talk goes this way:

http://metaphilm.com/philm.php?id=33_0_2_0

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Tramp...he’s a self-confessed chicken thief—an all around sleaze ball. What’s the function of a film of this kind? Essentially it’s a primer on love and marriage directed at very young people; imprinting on their little psyches the idea that smooth talking delinquents, recently escaped from the local pound, are a good match for nice girls from sheltered homes. When in ten years, the icky human version of Tramp shows up around the house, their hormones will be racing, and no one will understand why. Films like this program woman to adore jerks.


do movies really influence kids this way?



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02 Dec 2006, 1:52 am

I think if the message is constantly being reinforced and then the peers further reinforce it....yeah,it can have an impact on certain "vulnerable" mindsets and personality types.

I know that the TV show",Kung Fu" had a major impression on me when I was growing up but it didn't seem to have much influence on many of my peers.(the philosophy,not the fighting).


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02 Dec 2006, 2:19 am

it's all a matter of whether the kid is gonna go out and murder someone.



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02 Dec 2006, 7:00 am

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When in ten years, the icky human version of Tramp shows up around the house, their hormones will be racing, and no one will understand why. Films like this program woman to adore jerks.


Ah, the age old fallacy of correlation vs. causality.

Starting in the 80's, there were a number of movies that had nice popular people hooking up with the socially challenged. Sixteen Candles. Weird Science. Revenge of the Nerds. However, I'm sure most of us that grew up in the 80s and the years following can attest to the fact that girls, as a general rule, still don't go for nerds.

Nobody becomes Gay because they watched "Will and Grace" or "Torch Song Trilogy." People who ARE Gay might be less ashamed, and people who AREN'T Gay might be less inclined to be incited against people who are, and that's about the most you're going to get out of it.

The fact is that Hollywood makes movies that glamourise everything. But it's not doing this to push some radical leftist agenda, as it's commonly accused of... it's doing it because that's how you make money. Yes, some movies tackle issues. Yes, some movies tend to "normalise" things that other people are trying to suppress. But most movies-- particularly most movies you can actually find in the cinema-- are filmed for the most Republican of reasons: cold, hard cash.

People go to these movies because they want to be entertained. If you were to make a movie now about some white guy who "happened to be" a member of the KKK-- even if it wasn't really part of the movie and you only knew it because you glimpsed his Klan robes in the closet-- nobody would go see it. Why? Because nobody worth speaking of still finds that sort of behaviour acceptable. Hollywood is a mirror more than anything else.

A couple years ago, DC Comics revealed that one of its catalog of characters-- I can't recall whom, but it was a cowboy in the old west-- was Gay. They did a new limited series on this character, in which the fact that he liked boys came up a couple of times. Other than that, it was a cowboy story. Interestingly enough, they managed to tick off both sides of the argument... the anti-Gay movement was mad that this comic (which was labeled as for adults only) had the timerity to portray a COWBOY as a HOMO. The pro-Gay movement was kind of irritated that the comic, which contained no adult subject matter tougher than "Oh, yeah, he's gay", was labeled as "Adults Only", which it needn't be. Recently, DC announced that the new Batgirl was going to be a lesbian. There were people protesting this before the first comic hit the stands, giving DC free publicity. They were smart to milk it as innovational despite the fact they have had a Lesbian as a running character in Superman for years, and rival Marvel comics has had gay characters for even longer.

This is where you hear about the "liberal Hollywood elite" and the "San Francisco Values." Basically, people are getting up in arms because every movie, book, TV show, magazine, and comic doesn't reflect their exact values.

It's the same mindset that says that Harry Potter should be banned because it promotes Wicca. Wicca. Now, speaking as a Wiccan, you can rest assured that if we did build a school of Witchcraft and Wizardry, it wouldn't have a Christmas break. Not that we're against Christmas being celebrated by other people, it's just that... well, you generally don't see Catholic School kids jumping over a Beltaine fire, do you? And this school would actually have classes about, you know, Wicca. Six years of this school and nobody's even discussed the casting of a circle.

I always found it amusing that nobody protested "End of Days." Not only did it pee all over Revelations after drinking a keg of cheap beer, but... well, it was an absolute abortion.


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02 Dec 2006, 10:30 am

computerlove wrote:
Saw days ago a movie called The Last Days of Disco, in it, there's a moment
where one of the girls brings to topic the Lady and the Tramp movie, and then
talk goes this way:

http://metaphilm.com/philm.php?id=33_0_2_0

Quote:
Tramp...he’s a self-confessed chicken thief—an all around sleaze ball. What’s the function of a film of this kind? Essentially it’s a primer on love and marriage directed at very young people; imprinting on their little psyches the idea that smooth talking delinquents, recently escaped from the local pound, are a good match for nice girls from sheltered homes. When in ten years, the icky human version of Tramp shows up around the house, their hormones will be racing, and no one will understand why. Films like this program woman to adore jerks.

Well, I don't think the person that said this has watched Lady and the Tramp properly. Yes, he might have confessed that he's a chicken thief and may well imply that he's an all-round sleazeball - maybe he is. But if Lady was to do that, it would be worse because she actually has a proper home. Tramp doesn't stay too long in one place for fear of being kicked out so he moves on before the family can kick him out. A real 'You can't fire me, I'll quit first' mentality. Remember what he said - something along the lines of family+ dog + baby = family + baby and dog getting kicked out of home. Of course, this moving around means he has to be independent which means he has to resort to certain surivival methods which happen to be stealing.

Rather, its a message that class doesn't matter and that a home should be able to be found no matter who you are.

Its a union of opposites.

Rich female kanine living in one loving home all her life meets poor male kanine who got kicked out of his first home then kept moving on so he didn't have to deal with being kicked out again and he escaped from the local pound.

Compare with:
A rich girl living in one loving home all her life meets poor boy who got kicked out of his house, wandered the streets for a while, got picked up by social services but ran away from the care home.

Films like The lady and the tramp do not program women to adore jerks, rather they program women not to assume someone is a jerk just because they are less econimically advantaged.

Like someone said in Star Trek "Its easy to be a saint in Paradise."



do movies really influence kids this way?

No, it influences ADULTS that way. The adult twisted it to mean what they wanted it to mean so that they could be outraged. The lady and the tramp has a very different meaning as shown above.


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03 Dec 2006, 12:45 am

wow, Sighold, is that quoted from somewhere?



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03 Dec 2006, 6:55 am

I once took a photography of an attractive woman holding a torch. The flames didn't come out well, so I used "dodging" to give the torch a mystical look.

However, the location that she was holding the torch in the shot I chose had the lit ("mystical") end in front of her lower belly. I got berated by feminists for implying that all of a woman's mystical power came from her crotch.


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03 Dec 2006, 9:00 am

computerlove wrote:
wow, Sighold, is that quoted from somewhere?


The bit about it being easy to be a saint in Paradise is. The rest is original - I just
messed up on the quote button.


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