Autism is NOT a disorder
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aspiesavant wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
It's not just "different" if we're not being adequately being accommodated and are stuck in isolation.
We live in a society designed by and for Neurotypicals.
One might argue as well that Neurotypicals are disabled because they're ill-suited for a society designed by and for Autistic people.
How can you prove everyone involved in designing society was/is neurotypical?
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aspiesavant wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Neurotypicals are by definition not disabled. They are the functional ones who have found success.
Are they?
How many of them are totally stressed out?
How many are on anti-depressants?
How many are addicted to Ritalin, Adderall, caffeine or some other kind of stimulant?
How many of them commit suicide every year?
Just because they're the majority and set the norm, that doesn't mean they're sane or healthy.
androbot01 wrote:
If autistic people were the most functional we would be the ones who made the world the way it is. So in this world, autism is a disability.

Those aren't specifically neurotypical problems, not so sure people with ADHD/ADD are neurotypical for one and those are usually the ones who are prescribed adderall or other stimulants. Also not sure addiction records keep track of the neurology of the addicts for those who may end up with an addiction problem with those drugs.
And as far as I can see most neurotypicals seem to handle stress better than me, like they can still function even when they're stressed whereas my functioning gradually starts declining and declining till I just can't deal with anything anymore and then I need to chill RIGHT NOW! I've also had chronic anxiety since I was a kid, I have it a bit more under control now but it's still a hindrance.
I've tried anti-depressants because I also developed chronic depression, I don't take them now as they didn't help...I've found alternatives.
And finally I tried to commit suicide when I was 15, and went to a psych ward a couple times since because I was feeling suicidal.
What makes you think most neurotypicals as opposed to people with autism or other neurological conditions are more likely to suffer these problems?
Not to mention you do realize there are neurotypicals who aren't well adjusted either right?...Not to mention though how society morphs is kind of up to my generation or around that and younger ones, I am not going to promote us vs. them mentality based on neurology...that isn't inductive to progress. I have plenty of family, aquantinces and a few friends I am the only one I know who for sure is on the autism spectrum...so yeah I might be associating with 'neurotypicals' but they aren't 'normal well adjusted members of society that look down on those who aren't.' Point is its not as simple as neurotypical bad neurodivergent good.
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aspiesavant wrote:
Amaltheia wrote:
If the disorder exists only when interacting with other people, then why is it located in only one of the parties to the interaction? Why not both? Or in the interaction itself?
It's like saying that if one party speaks English and the other speaks Japanese and the two aren't understanding each other, then the problem must automatically lie with the Japanese-speaker because, well, everybody understands English if you speak it slowly enough, loudly enough and wave your arms a lot.
It's like saying that if one party speaks English and the other speaks Japanese and the two aren't understanding each other, then the problem must automatically lie with the Japanese-speaker because, well, everybody understands English if you speak it slowly enough, loudly enough and wave your arms a lot.
Totally!
Also, consider this :
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In a way, Autistic people have their own unique individual cultures. In that sense, we truly do live in our own little worlds. We live in our own little worlds, not because we choose to or because we fail to understand the world we live in (some Autistic understand actually the world far better than many “Neurotypicals”), but because our inability to relate to the culture we live among sets us apart from that culture.
Consider how it would feel to be a North-American or Western-European living as the sole immigrant in a rural community in East-Asia, sub-Saharan Africa or South-America. That is exactly how a person with Autism experiences every day social interactions.
Ironicly, this makes Autistic people more adapted to living among people of a different culture. One one hand, it’s because people tend to be more forgiving about social mistakes and quirky behavior when faced with a foreigner. On another hand, that’s because people with Autism are so used to living among people who identify with a culture that feels alien to them that actually living among a foreign culture feels only marginally more alien than their every day experience.
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Consider how it would feel to be a North-American or Western-European living as the sole immigrant in a rural community in East-Asia, sub-Saharan Africa or South-America. That is exactly how a person with Autism experiences every day social interactions.
Ironicly, this makes Autistic people more adapted to living among people of a different culture. One one hand, it’s because people tend to be more forgiving about social mistakes and quirky behavior when faced with a foreigner. On another hand, that’s because people with Autism are so used to living among people who identify with a culture that feels alien to them that actually living among a foreign culture feels only marginally more alien than their every day experience.
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I don't have an complete inability to relate to the culture I live amoung, or parts of it at least...I have never fit into like popular culture. But I've been exposed to music and sub-cultures and all kinds of sorts of groups of people, some who try to conform to popular/mainstream norms and some who reject most popular culture. I relate to the subculture surrounding metal...plenty of neurotypicals in that crowd and somehow it hasn't become a carbon copy of mainstream pop culture or whatever. Really though there isn't really even a set 'culture' in this country anyways aside from commercialism.
Also I find it kind of insulting anyone would suggest my experience of interacting with neurotypicals is exactly like if I was a sole north american immigrant in a rural community of east asia, sub-saharan africa or south america. I don't feel like I have no understanding of the spoken language or that I don't understand any of the customs. I can understand what people say to me and respond...I am aware of plenty of social norms(though not all come natural or make sense to me). Also I think I'd feel pretty uncomfortable if I was just put in some other country where I don't know the language or anything..I'd much prefer to do that with someone or in a group so I have at least one other person who speaks my language.
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