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18 Aug 2025, 4:50 am

Allistic reminds me of computer logic tests. Is the value this exact number (autistic), or is it any other number whatsoever (allistic)?
The autistic is defined as what it IS, allistic is only defined in so far as what it IS NOT.
I see allistic used in a few recent books I've read, and by some influencers from time to time.



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18 Aug 2025, 5:55 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
"Neurodivergent" was originally intended to be inclusive of everyone who is not NT.


that was my understanding



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18 Aug 2025, 6:20 am

My purpose in bringing up allistic was not to language police. It was brought up as an example of terminology that describes the same thing changing over time. Sometimes these changes are useful and sometimes they are harmful.


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18 Aug 2025, 7:53 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
My purpose in bringing up allistic was not to language police. It was brought up as an example of terminology that describes the same thing changing over time. Sometimes these changes are useful and sometimes they are harmful.

Your post was clear.
I didn't understand allistic because we don't use the word, but in the neurotypical context, we just use neurotypical.

I really like what you wrote and how you outline things.

I'll use allistic too.

That's fine: I understand it was an example, not a master class on autism.

Yes, definitions change a lot, quickly someone else changes something else, and we have to adapt. In 25 years, a lot of acronyms and definitions have been coined, as well as representative words.

One of many.

*By harmful, I meant that others would use it to make us interpret it as something to be cured (the word cure has a noble meaning...). I mean sick.

But the linguistic difference didn't allow me to perfectly associate the terminology: that's fine for me, I'll use that one.

Thanks so much.

The point is that we autistic people tend not to simplify things in a way that's understandable to those who aren't used to seeing even a hundredth of what we see and discuss.

We have to make ourselves understood by them; it doesn't work that others should conform to us.

You didn't write this, sorry for the digression. And I'm sorry if my post stressed you out in any way.

I read your posts here and in other threads with admiration.

Keep in mind that it's difficult for me to immediately understand what you write—in fact, sometimes very well—but writing a response is difficult.
*Sorry if I've been disrespectful in any way.



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18 Aug 2025, 8:09 am

frollpoff wrote:
Allistic reminds me of computer logic tests. Is the value this exact number (autistic), or is it any other number whatsoever (allistic)?
The autistic is defined as what it IS, allistic is only defined in so far as what it IS NOT.
I see allistic used in a few recent books I've read, and by some influencers from time to time.

In school I studied electronic logic, logic, Boolean algebra, and so on.
I also thought of something similar to yours: the values are 1 and 0.
In Karnaugh maps, we studied all possible hypotheses.
I don't know everything, I'm not perfect, I'm not omniscient.
I tend to be very open to every aspect that seems interesting to me.
I'm an INTJ on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) scale.
It's not a rare type among the sixteen.

Many people made this association between me and a computer.

And it's also scientifically proven that the human mind doesn't work like a computer; on the contrary.

I hated computers.
A friend of mine knew how to program them and take them apart and reassemble them (whenever possible) since I was little.
He gave me one as a gift.
I turned it on and off.
I turned it over and turned it back on.
I didn't know how it worked, and which hand to use. I used the left; I was a little slower by moving the cursor backwards.
So I chose the right.
Then I turned it back on and started making it work on my own, then posting. I was interested in a meaningful solution.
For another problem.

I posted a thread directly: never done before, I even replied to anyone who interacted with me.

We're not even stereotyped, as allistic people tell us or others.

The mind is made to wander.

We focus on details.

Other non-autistic people don't understand a thing about us. Not even if we explain.
They don't listen; they don't have our peculiarities.



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18 Aug 2025, 8:55 am

Huckleberry Finn wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
My purpose in bringing up allistic was not to language police. It was brought up as an example of terminology that describes the same thing changing over time. Sometimes these changes are useful and sometimes they are harmful.

Your post was clear.
I didn't understand allistic because we don't use the word, but in the neurotypical context, we just use neurotypical.

I really like what you wrote and how you outline things.

I'll use allistic too.

That's fine: I understand it was an example, not a master class on autism.

Yes, definitions change a lot, quickly someone else changes something else, and we have to adapt. In 25 years, a lot of acronyms and definitions have been coined, as well as representative words.

One of many.

*By harmful, I meant that others would use it to make us interpret it as something to be cured (the word cure has a noble meaning...). I mean sick.

But the linguistic difference didn't allow me to perfectly associate the terminology: that's fine for me, I'll use that one.

Thanks so much.

The point is that we autistic people tend not to simplify things in a way that's understandable to those who aren't used to seeing even a hundredth of what we see and discuss.

We have to make ourselves understood by them; it doesn't work that others should conform to us.

You didn't write this, sorry for the digression. And I'm sorry if my post stressed you out in any way.

I read your posts here and in other threads with admiration.

Keep in mind that it's difficult for me to immediately understand what you write—in fact, sometimes very well—but writing a response is difficult.
*Sorry if I've been disrespectful in any way.

I am glad to be of assistance.

It is up to the members as to what words are used and how they are used.

That said when discussing autism issues in general public spaces a good idea is to avoid jargon. I say “not autistic” in those spaces unless neurotypical is specifically used. I have noticed “neurotypical” being used in the mainstream media often as of late. I assume they mean not autistic but I am not sure.


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18 Aug 2025, 8:55 am

frollpoff wrote:
Allistic reminds me of computer logic tests. Is the value this exact number (autistic), or is it any other number whatsoever (allistic)?
The autistic is defined as what it IS, allistic is only defined in so far as what it IS NOT.
I see allistic used in a few recent books I've read, and by some influencers from time to time.


That’s true of retronyms in general. The term “landline phone” didn’t acquire widespread usage until the rise of cellular/mobile phones. For an example of this when it comes to social categories, there’s cisgender.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retronym



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18 Aug 2025, 1:06 pm

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The autistic is defined as what it IS, allistic is only defined in so far as what it IS NOT.

But then it occurred to me that autistic is often declared as a deficit of human/social functioning, so the term allistic is almost poetic in that allistic is defined as an absence of an absence. :D Hope that makes sense. :D
Originally I was going to define autistic as zero (rather than a specific value), it could be defined as zero. if zero do autistic stuff, else if non zero do allistic stuff;
zero is neither positive or negative. remaining neutral and indifferent has for me become the place to be.
where i have the choice, i reject being on a side for many things by removing myself from participation.
in often cases, remove myself from participation because of absent articulation ability for my argument.
i can see a distant niche to prise open, i just don't seem to have the tools.



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18 Aug 2025, 7:18 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Huckleberry Finn wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
My purpose in bringing up allistic was not to language police. It was brought up as an example of terminology that describes the same thing changing over time. Sometimes these changes are useful and sometimes they are harmful.

Your post was clear.
I didn't understand allistic because we don't use the word, but in the neurotypical context, we just use neurotypical.

I really like what you wrote and how you outline things.

I'll use allistic too.

That's fine: I understand it was an example, not a master class on autism.

Yes, definitions change a lot, quickly someone else changes something else, and we have to adapt. In 25 years, a lot of acronyms and definitions have been coined, as well as representative words.

One of many.

*By harmful, I meant that others would use it to make us interpret it as something to be cured (the word cure has a noble meaning...). I mean sick.

But the linguistic difference didn't allow me to perfectly associate the terminology: that's fine for me, I'll use that one.

Thanks so much.

The point is that we autistic people tend not to simplify things in a way that's understandable to those who aren't used to seeing even a hundredth of what we see and discuss.

We have to make ourselves understood by them; it doesn't work that others should conform to us.

You didn't write this, sorry for the digression. And I'm sorry if my post stressed you out in any way.

I read your posts here and in other threads with admiration.

Keep in mind that it's difficult for me to immediately understand what you write—in fact, sometimes very well—but writing a response is difficult.
*Sorry if I've been disrespectful in any way.

I am glad to be of assistance.

It is up to the members as to what words are used and how they are used.

That said when discussing autism issues in general public spaces a good idea is to avoid jargon. I say “not autistic” in those spaces unless neurotypical is specifically used. I have noticed “neurotypical” being used in the mainstream media often as of late. I assume they mean not autistic but I am not sure.


It's important to me to be polite with other people.

I like polite discussions, like this one.
And from others here.

I think terminology is important in certain areas: clarifying is important.
It helps to understand the differences.

In Italy, the posts about autism, and underneath them also about people with different gender identities, have become a maze.

Too many specifications are used.
Too many acronyms.
What do people who don't have even the slightest knowledge of autism understand?
I think it keeps them away from wanting to understand forever.
I always write one thing: we communicate better because if we use terminology that's impossible for them, we're communicating nothing.
It's of no use to us.

It doesn't help anyone.

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Writing allistic is fine.
In Italy, we use neurotypical to differentiate it from neurodivergent.

We used to use neurodiverso :)

Typical and different from typical.

That was the reason. Now we're diverging.

A diversion in Italian could mean to have fun.

Definitions change as languages change.

They become extinct.

Like the Italians who never existed.



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22 Aug 2025, 2:45 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I don’t know enough about all of these conditions to render specific judgements so I will use a general guideline. It should be a mostly genetic caused condition that determines “brain wiring” that is atypical.


But the genetic causes for Autism are still largerly unknown.