Women in the army rangers and navy seals

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Do you think that women should get their own fitness standards in army rangers and navy seals? Why?

What kind of military background do you have?

I believe that the military should not have a requirement to only allow non-trans men. Women & trans people should be allowed to join the military if they are interested but I think anyone joining should be held to the same minimum physical requirements regardless of their gender. It's OK if those requirements vary by the different military beaches though. The military has physical fitness standards for a reason & being subpar can be a liability & put a soldier's life & unit in more danger. That said I do not think that being overweight should automatically exclude anyone from being in the military as long as their actual performance meets those standards. Physical fitness standards should be loosened for higher-ups who have proven themselves if they are excluded from physically being at actual combat situations like people handling the technology or strategy aspects. I also do not believe the military should require members to have head hair; it should not matter if a soldier is bald.

My physical disabilities would exclude me from joining the military but I never had any desire to join anyway so I have no military background. Both my grandpa's joined the military during World War 2. One joined the army & the other joined the air-force & was an aircraft engineer. They both resigned after the war. I think my mom's brother joined the navy but he died long before I was born due to drowning.

I think the physical, cognitive and psychological requirements should be gender neutral but vary for different units and positions depending on the tasks expected to be performed.

nick

"That said I do not think that being overweight should automatically exclude anyone from being in the military as long as their actual performance meets those standards. "

https://www.army.mil/article/288357/arm ... _standards

according to the above article, soldiers that score 465 on the Army Fitness Test do not have to comply with the body fat standards.

however, that article is about the Army in the united states. it says nothing about any other branch or any other country.

furthermore, weight and body fat percentage are two different things,

Do I think that women should get their own fitness standards?

I think it possibly depends on the rationale behind the fitness standard.

- If it is based upon the required activities in the career field then men and women should have the same fitness standard based upon the job.

- If it is based upon limiting acceptable candidates to a high standard, such as being in the top 5%, then perhaps men and women should have different fitness standards that ensure the candidate is one of the best available.


What kind of military background do I have?

I was in computers. I was eligible for my assignment because I showed a strong intellectual capability for the job.

I actually lost a job in 2007 because I said this at what I thought was a casual work dinner in front of senior female staff.

No I don't think that they should get their own fitness standards for elite unit roles, which is the specific area being asked. I.e. Navy Seals/Army Rangers. These units perform very high intensity operations and if women want to join then they should be able to meet the physical & mental demands of the role.
There are many military roles where there's a lot less need to have such a high level of combat fitness. If they can't meet the fitness requirements of the elite, there's no shame in that. They are the elite for a reason.
If standards have to drop to accomodate people who can't meet the standards, then these units will lose elite status.

I say that as someone who spent 5 years in the UK Armed Forces a few decades ago.
At exactly the time when women were being integrated into military as a whole, instead of staying in their own separate units.
I wasn't in an elite unit and was happy enough not to be.

I don't think that women should have their own fitness requirements. I'm sure there are a lot of women who do have what it takes to be in elite military roles. I'm not really jealous of anyone who's able to make it into the army. I like to live a peaceful life filled with music.

i do not understand. according to the below cited website, (marked in "skull" icons), the marines has easier athletic requirements for women than for men. however, according to the below cited website (marked in "glasses" icon), the Army Rangers have the same athletic standards for everyone regardless of sex.

why should the Special Forces have the same athletic standards for both sexes, while the Marines has different standards for men and women? shouldn't they have the same nondiscriminatory or discriminatory policies?


https://www.marines.com/become-a-marine ... tness.html

"For All Applicants
PULL UPS / PUSH UPS
Male: 3 pull-ups or 34 push-ups (2:00 time limit)
Female: 1 pull-up or 15 push-ups (2:00 time limit)

RUN
Male: 1.5 mile run in 13:30
Female: 1.5 mile run in 15:00

PLANK
40 second plank (1:03 minimum)"


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https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... sment.html

"The new measurement of fitness will comprise the following events, with students wearing the standard Army Combat Uniform and boots, within 14 minutes:

800-meter run
30 dead-stop push-ups
100-meter sprint
An event in which students lift 16 40-pound sandbags onto a 68-inch platform
50-meter farmer's carry consisting of two five-gallon water cans weighing 40 pounds each
50-meter movement drill consisting of a 25-meter high crawl and 25-meter 3-5 second rush
Another 800-meter run
Once those events are complete, students will change into their physical fitness uniform and run four miles within 32 minutes. After the run, soldiers will perform six chin-ups."

Los Angeles fire department kristin Larson said that if she has to drag someone's husband out of a burning building, he got himself in the wrong place

Which is correct but everyone in a burning building is in the wrong place but firefighters jobs still to drag them out

I also am too physically weak to drag someone out of a burning building.

Maybe I should be a foreman too

it reminds me of how, i have been working @ home depot as lot attendant since october 2020. since july 2021, i have had a doctors note that i am not allowed to lift over fifty pounds.

the first thing the head cashier or supervisor says when i tell them about the doctors note, which other lot attednats are at work?

tattletale tom acts like it's a major inconvenience for him to do my share of the heavy lifting. (rolls eyes)

but when former lot attendant nichelle didn't do ANY loading, or any other work whateoever, he had no problem with that.

and when former lot attendant lazy boy steve had the nerve to sit on the picnic table half his shifts doing nothing, tattletale tom was still "in" with lazy boy steve.

nichelle presented as cisgender male.

lazy boy steve presented as cisgender male.

i am a trannssexual. been on testosterone from 24-26 and 36-42 and counting.

but i don't suspect that tattletale tom is/was racist/sexist/homophobic.

the job descritpion says "lift 50 pounds", but (former) ASM javier said that if i didn't have a doctors note and a customer wanted me to lift eighty pounds and i failed to do so, home depot was supposed to gimmie a write up for not being "willing". but home depot also contains 567 pound cabinets.

home depot needs to do "lifting tests". instead, on the application, it just asks you to check a box "can you lift fifty pounds".

besides, fifty pounds of concrete is much harder to lift than fifty pound barbell, even though they both weigh fifty pounds. besides, it's usually not just one bag. 42 bags in a pallet. and it's not just "deadlift". sometimes the customer has the nerve to tell me to lift the merchandise over my head. and the customer acts like they're so reasonable and morally innocent.

customers and coworkers and tattletale tom, angela w and angela d. make me wanna PUKE!

^^^ Yeah at a staff function back in 2007 female staff posed - women can do any job a man can.
I unfortunately bought up military front line soldiers. I was piled on (including my female boss) and coincidentally my contract wasn't renewed.

Many of the things I pointed out such as army training (strength, fitness, weights stamina goals) are clearly going to be different. In high pressure operations involving the navy seals there are going to be performance factors and for every female seal there's going to have to be males accompanying them. An all female squad being sent behind enemy lines is like bait for the enemy to capture and hold hostage.

"diversity" is a great thing but "competence" is even more important