Conservative or Liberal?

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Conservative or Liberal?
Conservative 5%  5%  [ 21 ]
Conservative 6%  6%  [ 23 ]
Liberal 20%  20%  [ 81 ]
Liberal 22%  22%  [ 88 ]
Centrist 6%  6%  [ 25 ]
Centrist 6%  6%  [ 26 ]
Libertarian 4%  4%  [ 18 ]
Libertarian 5%  5%  [ 19 ]
Other 6%  6%  [ 23 ]
Other 6%  6%  [ 23 ]
None 1%  1%  [ 6 ]
None 1%  1%  [ 6 ]
I have no clue 1%  1%  [ 6 ]
I have no clue 1%  1%  [ 6 ]
just wanna see results 4%  4%  [ 15 ]
just wanna see results 4%  4%  [ 17 ]
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20 Jan 2026, 12:29 pm

I choose Libertarian which is the closest to my way of thinking. I'd say Libertarian with a small l. So my world view is based on living in the USA all my life.

What's called conservative in The USA is now populism, MAGA and all that want big government in regards to a police state, Tariffs on goods, more military adventurism, and Trump has added to the deficit, in his first term and now in the 2nd. They believe in using government money to prop up corporations and things that really don't need to be, if a business cannot make it on it's own it likely doesn't need to exist.

What's called Liberalism in the USA isn't quite on the level of save progressive policies in Western Europe but I find that when the government gets involved in things, it tends to make the problem worse. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, an example of that is Obamacare and the havoc it's caused on the health insurance market in the USA. Having the government involved in student loans(Sally Mae). I find some of the lefts policy's make things more expensive for the average person.

Socialism has never worked anyplace it's ever been tried regardless of the area of the world. IMO the idea of that ideology goes against human nature. Everyone person is their own person and trying to make everyone be exactly the same never works.

I do find that you have to be semi flexible at times on things in order for progress to happen in some way. Regardless of ideology I cannot stand people who feel they are entitled to their own facts or people who refuse to educate themselves and just spout off nonsense.


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20 Jan 2026, 5:49 pm

King Kat 1 wrote:
Socialism has never worked anyplace it's ever been tried regardless of the area of the world.


It's funny when libertarians/an-caps/similar claim this, as it's equally true of completely deregulated capitalism.

Humans are cooperative animals by nature. To insist socialism is at odds with human nature seems like it requires quite a bit of handwaving to dismiss that reality. That's not to say that some forms of socialism are perfectly in tune with human nature either; I don't believe any economic system is completely compatible with human nature as human nature is often contradictory. We're both individualist and collectivist/cooperative simultaneously.

The main concern I have with neoliberalism, libertarianism and an-cap ideology is how easily they can turn into cronyism for the in-group, rugged individualism for everyone else, with little recourse for the powerless when they're abused by the powerful and little ability to directly influence things outside of "voting with their wallets", which doesn't actually work when most of the economy has fallen into monopolies and cartels.


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21 Jan 2026, 4:37 am

The problem with the word Socialism is that nobody agrees on the meaning. You could argue that Canada practices Socialism and that it apparently "works". But if your definition of Socialism is public ownership of the means of production, then clearly Canada does not practice Socialism.


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21 Jan 2026, 6:21 am

Oddly enough , do not know what I fall under , am a Peace and Justice type, and Pro 2 nd amendment . but not in the hands of criminals .


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21 Jan 2026, 6:34 pm

I had originally registered to vote as the libertarian party. I turned 18 in mid November of the year 2000. I lived in Louisiana which is very conservative though my parents are liberal. I went to a Catholic high-school because my parents thought I had more problems in public school. Everyone took civics during their senior year & our civics teacher was a religious brother who was a hard-core democrat & agreed with the party on every single major issue at the time except for abortion. A lot of my classmates were republicans but there were a bit who supported the reform party. I felt like I was being preached at by all three camps & I was also kind of influenced by their negative propaganda aimed at each other. In general I kind of wanted to be left alone to go my own way & do my own things. I guess registering as a libertarian was my way of rebelling against the party cliquishness.

However I went the exact opposite direction when I was 21. My first relationship ended when I was 20. She was the first person I ever majorly connected with & related to. She had some problems with drugs & alcohol & cheated on me & got into some other trouble. I did not handle things well & when we broke up I fell into a bad depression that was a little bit psychotic. I blamed the drugs & alcohol because I still majorly loved & cared about her & my mental state could not handle blaming myself for the way I acted/reacted to things. I ended up changing my party affiliation to the prohibition party & I kind of referred to myself as straight-edge in certain groups except I had never been religious.

My depression gradually got better as I got older. I tried working on myself in various ways like~ getting employed & working a lot for about three years, trying to get out & socialize offline more, posting online about things, doing research on various things, taking psych meds, & other such things. Doing that stuff gave me opportunities for me to chat with various people who used drugs & alcohol but some did it in more responsible ways though some had gotten into lots of trouble in their past. I gradually started realizing that drugs & alcohol are not always inherently extremely bad & dangerous. I started realizing that people had various reasons for problematic behaviors & that drugs & alcohol can be used responsibly to help some cope.

I was born with various disabilities that majorly limit me with finding employment. The three jobs I had were federal minimum-wage things & I was majorly lucky to get those jobs. The only benefits I had as an adult were SSI, Social Security Disability, Medicaid, & Medicare. I was living with my parents partly because I did not have any other viable options partly due to financial reasons. I felt my mom majorly resented me for living there as an adult & we had lots of bad fights(verbal arguments) that triggered me into having BAD meltdowns with yelling & slamming doors & mom threatening to kick me out or call the cops. I kind of gradually started understanding how the capitalist system is extremely unfair to disabled people & the struggling poor in general. I also know from being disabled that the US healthcare system is majorly f#cked. Insurance & doctors can majorly limit the health care people receive & I do not have the control over my own health care decisions that I should be able to have. I understand my body & issues better than lots of doctors do & doctors & insurance prevent me from having decent treatment for certain issues.

I see how the government is abusing it's power in so many ways when I pay attention to the news these days.
Lately I've been describing myself politically as a bit of an anarchist.


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22 Jan 2026, 2:11 am

I hate the smugness of ableism. I guess that makes me an anti-conservative.



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04 Feb 2026, 11:23 am

I am anarcocapitalist.



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04 Feb 2026, 7:41 pm

I'm a Dennisist.



A thousand years later and we can still see the violence inherent in the system. :lol:


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05 Feb 2026, 1:07 am

funeralxempire wrote:
I'm a Dennisist.



A thousand years later and we can still see the violence inherent in the system. :lol:

what exactly is Anarco-Syndacalist exactly? i had a professor who was one but I never knew exactly what that meant.



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05 Feb 2026, 7:02 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
what exactly is Anarco-Syndacalist exactly? i had a professor who was one but I never knew exactly what that meant.


It's probably best to break the term down, because syndicalism is broader than just anarcho-syndicalism.

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Syndicalism is a labor movement within society that, through industrial unionism, seeks to unionize workers according to industry and advance their demands through strikes and other forms of direct action, with the eventual goal of gaining control over the means of production and the economy at large through social ownership.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism

Largely, it favours using organized labour pressure to achieve it's goals instead of primarily pursuing those goals through electoral politics.

Anarcho-syndicalism combines that method with the goal of creating a classless, stateless society.

There's also far-right strains of syndicalism, like national syndicalism. These usually draw on the idea of class cooperation and reject class conflict. Basically they seek to use unions to reorganize labour for the state's benefit, rather than using unions to pressure the state to reform for the union members/worker's benefit and interests. Far-right syndicalism usually ends up embracing ideas similar to corporatism, which is to say viewing society as a body with different interest groups as different organs of that body.

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Syndicalists remained vague about the society they envisioned to replace capitalism, stating that it was impossible to foresee in detail. Labor unions were seen as being the embryo of a new society in addition to being the means of struggle within the old. Syndicalists generally agreed that in a free society production would be managed by workers. The state apparatus would be replaced by the rule of workers' organizations. In such a society, individuals would be liberated in the economic sphere but also in their private and social lives.


With that in mind, I'd say syndicalism is largely an approach to achieving pro-worker goals, rather than a specific end goal of it's own. As is typical of the left, there's also a lot of internal disagreements about methods, with some people seeing the growth of the welfare state as a negative because it makes people more comfortable and less willing to pursue revolution.

So, the most concise answer would be a flavour of communism, but that's also a huge oversimplification. The Polish union Solidarity were syndicalists, after all, and that's who brought down the Leninists in Poland.


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13 Feb 2026, 5:02 pm

Mostly conservative.


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