Political Card Reading: Will Iran attack American soil?

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24 Jul 2026, 12:22 am

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but military and paramilitary action taken against the State of Israel and its supporters. Ideally, a country's leadership should be willing to take aggressive action against Israel at the expense of its own people.


I've opted to stay out of political debates which I have no direct stake, but what do you mean "and it's supporters" ?
In Australia we have had terrorist attacks perpetrated on Australian citizens by pro-Palestine and pro-Iran supporters. It still puzzles me that terrorist attacks launched on innocent civilians not involved in conflict is somehow a "justified" response. Really? are we back to HAMAS is justified for Oct 7 again

State of Israel has committed war crimes and needs to account. But it doesn't give militant pro-Palestinians a free pass.



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25 Jul 2026, 4:41 pm

https://kuwaittimes.com/article/47064/w ... -iran/amp/

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WASHINGTON: Kuwait’s Ambassador to the United States Sheikha Al-Zain Al-Sabah has sent an official letter to the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal rejecting as "entirely false” claims in a report alleging Kuwait’s participation in military operations against Iran. In her letter, the ambassador said the report, published on July 24 by journalists Summer Said and Shelby Holliday under the headline "Bahrain, Kuwait Warplanes Struck Iran in Rare Gulf Retaliation”, was entirely inaccurate.

She stressed that the allegations were "false in their entirety”, emphasizing that Kuwait did not participate in any military operations against Iran and did not allow its territory, airspace or territorial waters to be used to launch offensive operations against any neighboring country. She reaffirmed that Kuwait’s position throughout the current regional crisis has been "consistent, clear and public”, based on firm principles of respect for international law, safeguarding the sovereignty of states, promoting good-neighborly relations and resolving disputes through peaceful means, dialogue and diplomacy.



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26 Jul 2026, 9:19 am

cyberdora wrote:
MaxE wrote:
but military and paramilitary action taken against the State of Israel and its supporters. Ideally, a country's leadership should be willing to take aggressive action against Israel at the expense of its own people.


I've opted to stay out of political debates which I have no direct stake, but what do you mean "and it's supporters" ?
In Australia we have had terrorist attacks perpetrated on Australian citizens by pro-Palestine and pro-Iran supporters. It still puzzles me that terrorist attacks launched on innocent civilians not involved in conflict is somehow a "justified" response. Really? are we back to HAMAS is justified for Oct 7 again

State of Israel has committed war crimes and needs to account. But it doesn't give militant pro-Palestinians a free pass.

By supporters I mostly meant the US plus possibly some Persian gulf states that don't officially support Israel but also don't support anti-Zionism apart from lip service.

But my real point was to say that in today's world, the more authoritarian a country's leadership is, the more global admiration they get, because those authoritarian states are the most aggressive actors against Israel.

IOW in today's world, defeating Israel matters more than democracy or social welfare.


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26 Jul 2026, 6:48 pm

MaxE wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
MaxE wrote:
but military and paramilitary action taken against the State of Israel and its supporters. Ideally, a country's leadership should be willing to take aggressive action against Israel at the expense of its own people.


I've opted to stay out of political debates which I have no direct stake, but what do you mean "and it's supporters" ?
In Australia we have had terrorist attacks perpetrated on Australian citizens by pro-Palestine and pro-Iran supporters. It still puzzles me that terrorist attacks launched on innocent civilians not involved in conflict is somehow a "justified" response. Really? are we back to HAMAS is justified for Oct 7 again

State of Israel has committed war crimes and needs to account. But it doesn't give militant pro-Palestinians a free pass.

By supporters I mostly meant the US plus possibly some Persian gulf states that don't officially support Israel but also don't support anti-Zionism apart from lip service.

But my real point was to say that in today's world, the more authoritarian a country's leadership is, the more global admiration they get, because those authoritarian states are the most aggressive actors against Israel.

IOW in today's world, defeating Israel matters more than democracy or social welfare.


Yes everything getting twisted. Ultimately there are many players jostling for global power and influence. But over time the devil in our own governments is the devil we know and can live with.



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Yesterday, 2:03 am

I'll never understand people who support nations that are arguably much worst than the US in terms of human rights abuses just because they're hostile to American Imperialism

The enemy of your enemy isnt always going to be your friend but some people have to learn that the hard way.



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Yesterday, 7:01 am

N0TTATW1ZTY wrote:
I'll never understand people who support nations that are arguably much worst than the US in terms of human rights abuses just because they're hostile to American Imperialism

The enemy of your enemy isnt always going to be your friend but some people have to learn that the hard way.


Distance and influence.

It's unlikely that Iran or China will ever pose the same threat to my country that the US does. Distance makes a huge difference when it comes to effective power projection. Iran and China will never be in a position that makes a ground invasion of Canada possible, but the US might be tempted to believe a three day special military operation is possible.

Iran certainly isn't ally, let alone a friend, but they do require a certain amount of attention and strategic resources to be invested, which means those resources can't be brought to bear closer to home.

Iran and China have relatively little influence on Canada, the US has substantial influence. Reducing that influence to a level similar to that of Iran or China is another way of reducing American power over Canada, especially since the US has become much more hostile in recent years. I don't recall Iran or China ever threatening to annex Canada, meanwhile T.Diddy thinks we're as vulnerable to his advances as a 13 year old child.


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Yesterday, 11:30 am

To be honest I do understand where Canada is coming from about Trump threatening to invade and steal their country. Any country would have the right to be pissed about that.

But that said I still don't think siding with China or Iran is a good idea. But maybe I'm simpltly blinded by my own American bias against two nations that don't have my country's best interest in mind? :?



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Yesterday, 12:55 pm

N0TTATW1ZTY wrote:
To be honest I do understand where Canada is coming from about Trump threatening to invade and steal their country. Any country would have the right to be pissed about that.

But that said I still don't think siding with China or Iran is a good idea. But maybe I'm simpltly blinded by my own American bias against two nations that don't have my country's best interest in mind? :?


That's perfectly fair.

Living within the US makes at least some of your interests align with the US's interests in a way that outsiders don't really experience. Likewise, for those of us who live outside of the US, it's much easier to see where our interests diverge from the US's.

On top of legitimate reasons for distrust, Americans are pretty heavily propagandized when it comes to Iran and China. It's easy to think of those nations in an almost comic book villain fashion and worry about what plots they're up to, which is ironic because Trump is allowing them both to basically do nothing and win.

There's some lessons in all this, like how easily a state can erode it's own soft power if it choose to, and how much more easily trust is lost than gained.

I think Donald Trump doesn't really understand soft power and therefore fails at both using it and maintaining it. He wants more a liege/lord relationship with nations who refuse to be treated as anything less than equals and this only further pushes those nations away. The tighter he grasps, the more countries slip through his fingers to paraphrase Leia.

The worst part is that it will take decades to repair the relationships Trump has harmed, meanwhile the middle powers are realizing how much power they can actually wield if they operate as a bloc. It seems like Trump still thinks it's the '90s where there was no rival to the US yet his own actions are only helping to accelerate the emergence of a new, multipolar world.


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Yesterday, 12:56 pm

Iran can't do any more damage than Trump has on American soil.


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Yesterday, 11:10 pm

Would Iran nuke the US if given the chance?

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10 of Diamonds - The Book

Jack of Diamonds - The Scythe

Queen of Diamonds - The Crossroads

6 of Clubs - The Cross

Ace of Diamonds - The Sun


The Book represents strategic secrets that Iranians are willing to both die and kill for by the blade of The Scythe.

The Crossroads in between The Scythe and The Cross means that the path to establishing peaceful relations with Americans has long been severed. Now the only path is one that will cause great suffering. It also hints at a religious war brewing.

The Sun near The Cross points in the end to an overwhelming sense of joy.

Maybe Iran somehow succeeds in nuking us and they get exactly what they desired? Or the Americans win the war and there will be a of viewing this thris through rose-tinted sunglasses?



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Yesterday, 11:56 pm

don't buy life insurance.



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don't buy life insurance.


Get After-life insurance! :D