Ok, I have a huge problem with authority

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14 Oct 2006, 11:52 am

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I think this is what you get when you have a system that believes in 'punishment' as a way of teaching right and wrong.


It is. Bush the Lesser has shown us one more time that there are people who use authority who want to punish others before they do the thing to be punished for.

We get morons who don't even know for sure what they want trying to use punishment to control people who literally are smarter than they are. This kind of thing inevitably devolves into punishing people practically at random, starting fights, and destroying or taking property for poor reasons. It leads to bad laws. I hurt badly about laws that take people's animals away from them just to satisfy someone's paranoia and megalomania. I can't say what I want to say right without bringing my political agenda into this, but to me it's like they are tearing at life itself. I guess I feel like I have to maintain my sensitivity to this just so that I can know what those dirtbags actually intend and how they are accomplishing it. Even my mother still, after more than forty years, tries to slip things by me like that. I can't get up on the podium and say that I am going on about this because my mother still has contempt for me and what I care about, but that is a huge part of the real problem with me. Her only agenda regarding my life is to keep me feeding at her trough of negation and dependency, and I feel like she would actually break my legs to keep me from running away.

But I think that the world is going that direction. "Authority" wants to tie people to is like children to a dysfunctional parent and torture us. It wants us to work itself to death and give all the "money" to them to squabble over. It seems unable to understand that it has tremendously reduced the quality of the pool of life from which it tries to drink. We are becoming a stagnant culture. "They" are working hard to remove anything that might freshen life, make it new and vital again. "They" have to actually drink from this pond, the same as anyone else, and "they" are the ones who make it rotten and scummy. Ironically, they have to drink a lot more of it. It shows. We don't even have a decent grade of scoundrel.

Maybe it is just my depression talking but some important freedoms have been lost. There are organizations that make careers out of removing those freedoms. I went to a school that did the same and I live in a state and a city that does the same. The loss of freedom continues at an increasing pace.

Therapists and some authorities will tell me that I shouldn't feel bad about this because it has nothing to do with me. That's a huge lie. It has everything to do with me. I was educated in the idea that Americans lived as free people and then the mockery of those freedoms was used to torment me. Then they brought in "professionals" and drugs to try to make me appear to feel good and do well after the same authorities tore my soul out and shredded it. They forced their rot in really deep in ways that they wouldn't even allow others to do to them. This kind of thing is why there are "paranoids" who have huge trouble dealing with "reality." Some of them don't know why they hurt but they do see the scamming going on and know what was done to them. The scammers can usually deceive someone into disbelieving the paranoids. It's usually horribly easy to practice that deception.



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14 Oct 2006, 1:15 pm

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I vote that one of the most annoying words I ever heard in my school's hallways. Is there even any sensible etymology behind it, I wonder.



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14 Oct 2006, 1:29 pm

One of the things that hurts me is the way they tell me that I cannot do anything that is "angry." They do angry things all the time and say that it's all right to do them. What's the difference between them and me? Am I of an inferior species? That doesn't seem possible. They want me to be on a lower mental level than they are, and that's definitely impossible. I don't swing that low. I'm not even sure that I can invent a way to swing that low and get that low even if I tried it.



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22 Oct 2006, 5:02 am

Am I even making sense? I have to wonder sometimes. I ran across a quote today that this last twenty years is the first time in American history that people have been trading freedom for safety and all the other generations traded safety for the sake of freedom. Authority promises an illusion of safety while exacting a very high price from us in freedom, money, and yes even blood. Safety my ass. We are going to wind up with over a million sick and disabled veterans. The custodial health care industry will boom. Actually, they have so much business that they could do with a little less business.



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22 Oct 2006, 1:59 pm

Anger about unjust actions, laws and words are a reasonable reason to be angry. I do not buy what the present gov is selling. I feel less safe with redneck boy in office. Time to impeach him and remove his buddy's from power. I mean in a Gandhi sort of way. Time to give the gov back to the people . The republic not an empire is what I mean. The US gov has a bad habit of acting like a small child when it does not get it's way. Time for the gov to grow up. And treat other nations with some respect and not as pawns or proxy's to take resource's at a lower cost. Even the CIA says in their factbook that nation states are losing power over being able to bully boy places and now multinational corporation are taking the role of bully boy. It is a never ending battle to help gov and corps and lone humans to behave and see the light of reason and not act like a pack of wolfs fighting over land, power and the other shiny things humans fight over. Vincent Oct. 22 2006


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22 Oct 2006, 8:56 pm

My anger has good reasons, but I need to survive.



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27 Oct 2006, 12:15 pm

To sum up how I feel about authority:

I don't like people telling me what to do when they shouldn't be telling me what to do. You ask me nicely, not command me, I don't care who you are.

Typer's note: That isn't supposed to sound angry, but right now I'm in one of my lesser moments.


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27 Oct 2006, 1:51 pm

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How can it be right to worry so much about the idea that a person might do something physical against authority? The authorities are physically and mentally abusive. I suspect that this great "concern" has a lot to do with ideas planted to protect authority.

I live somewhere near the middle of the United States of America. A so-called authority from the county came to my house and made certain that he humiliated me because there was a big branch in the yard, while I was in the yard cutting it up, and made a b**** about the height of the grass. I have photographs of a ruler held in that grass that show that the grass was well within spec, and he just up and started talking about having the county in to mow the yard and charge a godawful price for it. This is just one example, and these little napoleon buttheads can just do it to people so casually, as if it is somehow socially acceptable. They will lie. They will omit essential information or behave as if that information does not exist. They will twist things around just to make themselves top dog so they can do the humpy humpy on someone's backside. I hope that the metaphor isn't too crude for this section of the forum.

When I was a child and my mother was doing pretty much the same thing, and I told her she couldn't do that, she said "I can do anything I want to." She had a miniature child, lifelike in every detail except about 1/2 scale, and because she had so much "superiority" over that child, she felt that she could ill use that child any way she wanted to. Why do such things always have to go from bad to worse, so that it isn't just being tortured to find out where the shampoo went, it's being tortured for every possible excuse, even if that excuse is not possible?

The big question is, why? Why, when having such physical and other advantages over a person, it would occur to anyone to ill use that person? It took me many many instances of being used as a punching bag before I could truly get into mopping the floor with someone who had assaulted me. It's a little bit easy to swing "too far" the other way, too but I know how far those people will go.

Beating on others when you have the advantage and they haven't done something truly heinous says something bad about you. It's really bad. I am now infected with the idea that some people are indeed heinous in subtle ways and deserve to be abused if possible. It is a sickness. It is not less sick when it is supported by what seems to be true and incontrovertible fact. At the same time, I seem to be disallowed from any reasonable sort of defense because some of those people walk right over that even though they are wrong and I am right. They don't entertain ideas that contradict theirs. They do take advantage of attempts by a person to be a reasonable person. It's a classic conflict. Without acquiring the illness there seems to be no way to defend against a person who has the illness. They don't actually deal with it well either. They just gather in groups and mess up the lives of whoever opposes their moronic ideas.


A couple of questions before I respond.
1. How high is your grass and what are the grass height requirements?
2. Do you have a**hole neighbors?
3. Did you take the picture of the ruler in your grass before or after the authority came by?
4. How long has the branch been in your yard?



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27 Oct 2006, 2:00 pm

How can some piece of s**t neighbour make any demand whatsoever on the length of the grass or some branch? It's your garden, not theirs.


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27 Oct 2006, 5:43 pm

I've never had a problem with authority because I was never afraid to stand up to it and call "Bulls***!". Of course, especially for anyone under 18, this can impact one's life in many destructive ways, but I'd rather get screwed by circumstance and/or my own way of thinking than some moron in blue or a 'teacher', what have you.
In a way, when I think about it, authority has more of a problem with me. Every once in a while, I see a former 'teacher' of mine in a public area and they quick turn their eyes away and walk in the other direction. Better for 'em to stay the **** out of my eyesight anyway.



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27 Oct 2006, 11:20 pm

Sorce, the branch had been in the yard for a few weeks. I still don't see that it was anyone's business. I had kept the lawn mowed and I did photograph the ruler and the grass the day after the person from the city came over.

People who mind other people's business cause worse problems than they solve. I'm sick of it.

Sixela, I have decided that it is better as a man to be trapped in a raging fire and take several days to die than it is to spend one minute under the rule of some of these cruds. An adolescent hates authority for natural and instinctive reasons. It takes long experience to add that special loathing to the feeling that either has to be expressed or sits deep inside and rots your soul.

I disengaged from someone on another board recently who spouts authority's line even though I know that he really hates it. That's the rot. It leads to derangement. Some people won't even take the risk and the pain inside their own skulls to tell themselves that authority's ideas and programs really suck when they in fact suck. Then they think that it's perfectly fine to punish responsible people for the actions of a few or even one bad apple. At least I would like to think that if this person were in possession of all his faculties he wouldn't act like he does. I don't know how many people who support taking everyone's rights away are like this. How many have become so hateful, so fearful, and have such embedded anger that they say to hell with it, tear it all down, screw everyone hard.

Every outfit that makes a business of minding other people's business gets crazy and eventually starts punishing masses of good and responsible people for the actions of a few. Half a dozen people in a population of 2 million cause problems with pitbull dogs, ban the whole 2 million people from having them and slap restrictions on ownership of the rest. It seems like the more responsibly people behave the more likely they are to be thrown down on by "higher authority" when even one little incident happens. A lot of people get a clue and realize they're better off screwing off.



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27 Oct 2006, 11:23 pm

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How can some piece of s**t neighbour make any demand whatsoever on the length of the grass or some branch? It's your garden, not theirs.


In their eyes, it's their garden, not mine. That's how. We have a pretty damaging heritage that has come down from a tradition of conquerors, those who think that if they have a bigger gun and more troops, what's yours belongs to them. Humanity has never gotten over this and that's why everyone has one neighbor who seems his or her garden as theirs to rule over. They see dominant types and b*****s. If you're not a dominant, you're their b***h. They can't truly understand that my yard is mine and their yard is theirs. Translate that into Spanish, and it means pretty much the same thing exept that it involves a slang term for male genitalia.

Most of us actually live under some control by a neighbor, family member, or even spouse who does their best to put their stamp on everything we do, so that they circumscribe our actions by sheer nastiness and think that it's authority.



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28 Oct 2006, 12:14 am

I have a HUGE problem with my parents authority,does that count??


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28 Oct 2006, 12:31 am

It definitely counts.



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28 Oct 2006, 9:40 am

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In their eyes, it's their garden, not mine. That's how. We have a pretty damaging heritage that has come down from a tradition of conquerors, those who think that if they have a bigger gun and more troops, what's yours belongs to them. Humanity has never gotten over this and that's why everyone has one neighbor who seems his or her garden as theirs to rule over. They see dominant types and b*****s. If you're not a dominant, you're their b****. They can't truly understand that my yard is mine and their yard is theirs. Translate that into Spanish, and it means pretty much the same thing exept that it involves a slang term for male genitalia.

Most of us actually live under some control by a neighbor, family member, or even spouse who does their best to put their stamp on everything we do, so that they circumscribe our actions by sheer nastiness and think that it's authority.


In Sweden the neighbours would only behave that way in a very snobby upper class neighbourhood. You have to put out some old car wreck or let your house rotten or something, before the authorities care about how your garden looks. Or if you build something without a permission. Ordinary folks here don't care about the length of the grass.


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28 Oct 2006, 10:23 am

If you can tell me that they won't get mad if I keep a lion in the backyard, I'll move there. I'm sick of people who mind everyone else's business. How can they take care of themselves if they spend all their energy minding someone else's doings? No one should have that obligation. Around here if I own an animal I'm saddled with the baggage about everyone who doesn't take good care of them. Don't I have enough to do just cleaning litter boxes and all that without also having to worry about what someone else does with their cats?