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26 Jul 2016, 7:38 pm

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It is selectively enforced. If you say something like black people are lazy something will be done about it.


I'll believe that when I see it.


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27 Jul 2016, 1:13 pm

The problem is obviously Trump, legitimizing everything the KKK ever stood for... and then there's the problem of addressing this problem; The_Walrus thought he wasn't fascist e.g. per the historical definition, but many other sources justify the label as a modern evolution of the concept that simply recycles century-old motivations. This, of course, is about ideology and not simple discrimination (and I doubt anyone could accuse anyone else of 'unfairly' discriminating against the god of discrimination, seriously...)



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27 Jul 2016, 1:15 pm

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It is selectively enforced. If you say something like black people are lazy something will be done about it.


I'll believe that when I see it.

I agree that blanket statements are selectively dealt with.


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27 Jul 2016, 2:15 pm

^ Because not all blanket statements are equally problematic.

Things like "context" and "intent" are important. And we also have people who are just smart enough to keep their racist/sexist sentiments cloaked in insinuation and innuendo without going into outright hate speech.


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27 Jul 2016, 2:34 pm

To paraphrase Orwell, some racist and sexist statements are more equal than others. For example, it would be hard to find a clearer example of both racism and sexism than the opening post here:

viewtopic.php?t=324646

And yet that post is allowed to stand.

But this is also an illustration of why free speech, and not censorship, is important. If you allow people to talk, the real racists and sexists will always end up revealing themselves.


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27 Jul 2016, 2:44 pm

Darmok wrote:
To paraphrase Orwell, some racist and sexist statements are more equal than others. For example, it would be hard to find a clearer example of both racism and sexism than the opening post here:

viewtopic.php?t=324646

And yet that post is allowed to stand.

But this is also an illustration of why free speech, and not censorship, is important. If you allow people to talk, the real racists and sexists will always end up revealing themselves.

Thanks for saving me the time to respond to that.


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27 Jul 2016, 3:28 pm

Darmok wrote:
To paraphrase Orwell, some racist and sexist statements are more equal than others. For example, it would be hard to find a clearer example of both racism and sexism than the opening post here:

viewtopic.php?t=324646

And yet that post is allowed to stand.

But this is also an illustration of why free speech, and not censorship, is important. If you allow people to talk, the real racists and sexists will always end up revealing themselves.


Can someone explain to me how the OP of that thread is racist and sexist? You say it's clear, but I don't see it. Is it just because she said the majority of fatal police shootings and rapes are committed by men? Because that is true--even when men are the victims of shootings or of sexual assault, the perpetrator is statistically way more likely to be male than female. How is this racist and sexist, to state this truth?


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27 Jul 2016, 3:40 pm

wilburforce wrote:
Darmok wrote:
To paraphrase Orwell, some racist and sexist statements are more equal than others. For example, it would be hard to find a clearer example of both racism and sexism than the opening post here:

viewtopic.php?t=324646

And yet that post is allowed to stand.

But this is also an illustration of why free speech, and not censorship, is important. If you allow people to talk, the real racists and sexists will always end up revealing themselves.


Can someone explain to me how the OP of that thread is racist and sexist? You say it's clear, but I don't see it. Is it just because she said the majority of fatal police shootings and rapes are committed by men? Because that is true--even when men are the victims of shootings or of sexual assault, the perpetrator is statistically way more likely to be male than female. How is this racist and sexist, to state this truth?

The last paragraph. Yes. Blaming a male white privilege society and using a statistic that paints most men as rapists.
By comparison, the black on black US crime statistics receives a lot of hate here. I think people would be willing to listen to the statistics and deal with problems on both sides of the coin if we stopped pretending that only some official statistics are facts.


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27 Jul 2016, 3:50 pm

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^ Because not all blanket statements are equally problematic.

Things like "context" and "intent" are important. And we also have people who are just smart enough to keep their racist/sexist sentiments cloaked in insinuation and innuendo without going into outright hate speech.


The rules do not say anything about these distinctions and should not. While these distictions exist you are asking Autistic moderators with according to current conventional wisdom impaired ability to figure out "intent". It should be good old autistic black and white (ah oh racist :) ) thinking either it violates the rules or it don't


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27 Jul 2016, 4:01 pm

wilburforce wrote:
Darmok wrote:
To paraphrase Orwell, some racist and sexist statements are more equal than others. For example, it would be hard to find a clearer example of both racism and sexism than the opening post here:

viewtopic.php?t=324646

And yet that post is allowed to stand.

But this is also an illustration of why free speech, and not censorship, is important. If you allow people to talk, the real racists and sexists will always end up revealing themselves.


Can someone explain to me how the OP of that thread is racist and sexist? You say it's clear, but I don't see it. Is it just because she said the majority of fatal police shootings and rapes are committed by men? Because that is true--even when men are the victims of shootings or of sexual assault, the perpetrator is statistically way more likely to be male than female. How is this racist and sexist, to state this truth?


I don't think that's sexist, statistically speaking that is true...granted statistics aren't infalliable, also they are never referring to every single person in a demographic. Stating that statistically the perpetrators are more often male isn't an implication that you think all males are more likely to commit violence. If someone said 'males are more likely to commit violence than females' that would be problematic if one says 'most violent crime has had a male perpetrator to me that is more an invitation to address why that is not jump on the person and accuse them of sexism because they stated a statistic.


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27 Jul 2016, 4:07 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Darmok wrote:
To paraphrase Orwell, some racist and sexist statements are more equal than others. For example, it would be hard to find a clearer example of both racism and sexism than the opening post here:

viewtopic.php?t=324646

And yet that post is allowed to stand.

But this is also an illustration of why free speech, and not censorship, is important. If you allow people to talk, the real racists and sexists will always end up revealing themselves.


Can someone explain to me how the OP of that thread is racist and sexist? You say it's clear, but I don't see it. Is it just because she said the majority of fatal police shootings and rapes are committed by men? Because that is true--even when men are the victims of shootings or of sexual assault, the perpetrator is statistically way more likely to be male than female. How is this racist and sexist, to state this truth?

The last paragraph. Yes. Blaming a male white privilege society and using a statistic that paints most men as rapists.
By comparison, the black on black US crime statistics receives a lot of hate here. I think people would be willing to listen to the statistics and deal with problems on both sides of the coin if we stopped pretending that only some official statistics are facts.


That statistic is not talking about most men, it's talking about people who have committed violent crime...and that more of them were male than female. Maybe one of the issues is, is people don't understand how statistics work. I mean getting on someone for stating that statistic to me is akin to an extreme feminist jumping down your throat for using a non gender neutral pro-noun or something.


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27 Jul 2016, 4:30 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Darmok wrote:
To paraphrase Orwell, some racist and sexist statements are more equal than others. For example, it would be hard to find a clearer example of both racism and sexism than the opening post here:

viewtopic.php?t=324646

And yet that post is allowed to stand.

But this is also an illustration of why free speech, and not censorship, is important. If you allow people to talk, the real racists and sexists will always end up revealing themselves.


Can someone explain to me how the OP of that thread is racist and sexist? You say it's clear, but I don't see it. Is it just because she said the majority of fatal police shootings and rapes are committed by men? Because that is true--even when men are the victims of shootings or of sexual assault, the perpetrator is statistically way more likely to be male than female. How is this racist and sexist, to state this truth?

The last paragraph. Yes. Blaming a male white privilege society and using a statistic that paints most men as rapists.
By comparison, the black on black US crime statistics receives a lot of hate here. I think people would be willing to listen to the statistics and deal with problems on both sides of the coin if we stopped pretending that only some official statistics are facts.


The statistic does not paint most men as rapists (and I question your intellectual honesty for framing it that way), it paints (accurately) most rapists as male. It is only a small minority of men who commit rape, but those guys tend to be repeat offenders (hence the high instance of sexual assault despite the relatively small number of active rapists). This is not sexist at all to state, it is simply fact.

ETA: claiming that that statement "most rapists are male" is equivalent to "most men are rapists" is like claiming that "most salmon are fish" and "most fish are salmon" are equivalent statements--they are obviously not equivalent (I get that all salmon are fish, not just some--but that doesn't negate my point that the two statements are not equivalent because most fish definitely are not salmon; only a small percentage of all fish are salmon). This is why I doubt your intellectual honesty in making that argument.


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27 Jul 2016, 4:55 pm

As far as the men I have dealt with in my almost 60 years on this planet a large percentage and probably most of them are against people forcing themselves to a womens body but feel entitled to varying degrees to women's bodies.


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27 Jul 2016, 5:09 pm

Darmok wrote:
To paraphrase Orwell, some racist and sexist statements are more equal than others. For example, it would be hard to find a clearer example of both racism and sexism than the opening post here:

viewtopic.php?t=324646

And yet that post is allowed to stand.

But this is also an illustration of why free speech, and not censorship, is important. If you allow people to talk, the real racists and sexists will always end up revealing themselves.

I rolled my eyes at this when I saw it some time ago, but it never occurred to me that it was something requiring moderator attention. It's just a false equivalence.



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27 Jul 2016, 5:15 pm

Darmok wrote:
To paraphrase Orwell, some racist and sexist statements are more equal than others. For example, it would be hard to find a clearer example of both racism and sexism than the opening post here:

viewtopic.php?t=324646

And yet that post is allowed to stand.

But this is also an illustration of why free speech, and not censorship, is important. If you allow people to talk, the real racists and sexists will always end up revealing themselves.


Most shooting are committed by male cops =/= all male cops commit shootings.

Most rapes are committed by men =/= all men are rapists.

Seesh.


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27 Jul 2016, 5:17 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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^ Because not all blanket statements are equally problematic.

Things like "context" and "intent" are important. And we also have people who are just smart enough to keep their racist/sexist sentiments cloaked in insinuation and innuendo without going into outright hate speech.


The rules do not say anything about these distinctions and should not. While these distictions exist you are asking Autistic moderators with according to current conventional wisdom impaired ability to figure out "intent". It should be good old autistic black and white (ah oh racist :) ) thinking either it violates the rules or it don't



Not possible or advisable.


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