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04 Dec 2019, 9:28 pm

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05 Dec 2019, 8:57 am

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It's impossible for the News and Current Events subforum NOT to be political

The News has always been something political. It was actually much worse in the 19th century than it is now. But we are devolving back, perhaps, to those days.

Yeah political news is still news. Politics influences everything in our lives so it's hard to avoid it even if you want to. If it bothers you so much you could just not read the news stories about elections. I guess there is some redundancy between the two sections but i think that's kind of true with any of the sections (a news article in current events about a health issue could also go in the health forum, for instance.


The moderators I quoted seem to be bothered by News and Current Events threads being like PPR threads. I started this thread because I agree with them.



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05 Dec 2019, 9:04 am

The solution is more strict moderation of the News threads than of the PPR threads.

Politics is unavoidable in a News and Current Events context.



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05 Dec 2019, 9:27 am

No argument there. But some original posts are obviously the type that belong in PPR based on how they're titled and or what the OP says in them.



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05 Dec 2019, 9:30 am

As long as people are civil I see no problem with political overlap in the news forum because so much news in inherentley political,you can't stop politics from being news and you can't stop politcal news from being discussed.PPR forum is still unique in that you can discuss abstract political theory whether its current news or not,plus you can also discuss religion and abstract philosophy

So discussing politics in the news forum does not diminish the usefullness of the PPR forum.


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05 Dec 2019, 10:41 am

Last US presidential election, users who only participate here during US elections, created several political "news" topics per day.

There was consistently like 10+ active anti-TRUMP "news" topics.

(Trump is a racist, Trump uses concentration camps, Trump's has a history of bankruptcy, Trump sinks in polls …)

These pushed out non-political news topics and degraded this website.


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05 Dec 2019, 11:31 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Last US presidential election, users who only participate here during US elections, created several political "news" topics per day. There was consistently like 10+ active anti-TRUMP "news" topics. (Trump is a racist, Trump uses concentration camps, Trump's has a history of bankruptcy, Trump sinks in polls …) These pushed out non-political news topics and degraded this website.
So it's Trump's fault! I knew it all along!


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05 Dec 2019, 3:18 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Last US presidential election, users who only participate here during US elections, created several political "news" topics per day.

There was consistently like 10+ active anti-TRUMP "news" topics.

(Trump is a racist, Trump uses concentration camps, Trump's has a history of bankruptcy, Trump sinks in polls …)

These pushed out non-political news topics and degraded this website.


Yep and I'm expecting the same or worse.



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05 Dec 2019, 3:19 pm

Fnord wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Last US presidential election, users who only participate here during US elections, created several political "news" topics per day. There was consistently like 10+ active anti-TRUMP "news" topics. (Trump is a racist, Trump uses concentration camps, Trump's has a history of bankruptcy, Trump sinks in polls …) These pushed out non-political news topics and degraded this website.
So it's Trump's fault! I knew it all along!


He's the reason why we can't have nice things.



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31 Dec 2019, 4:51 pm

Perhaps habitual posters on the News forum could aim to raise the standard there by self-monitoring before pressing send.

Moderators would like to see more avoidance and mindfulness of disruptive tactics, particularly -

*Sealioning (it has been escalating during 2019)
*Mocking
*Derision
*Disparaging
*Goading
*Inciting
*Taunting.
*Humiliating
*Shaming
*Pile ons



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31 Dec 2019, 5:02 pm

"Sealioning"?

Does that mean "When one starts barking, all start barking"?

Or am I taking it too literal or out of context?


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31 Dec 2019, 5:24 pm

Sealioning, according to Wikipedia, is repeated requests for "evidence," or the asking of repeated questions, while purportedly seeking to learn from the person whom one is "sealioning."

People in the know, though, see sealioning as as a method of trolling, and an attempt to denigrate the person who is the subject of the "sealioning."

Context is important. "Sealioning" is derived from a character in a Wondermark comic book. This means that somebody who has never read Wondermark would find it difficult to discern the origin of this term.

The term hasn't entered the standard lexicon yet. Though, in time, it probably will.



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01 Jan 2020, 4:56 am

That sort of thing tends to mainly happen in certain kinds of threads. In the case of the climate thread, that legit started out as a news story. But through no fault of the OP it became what it currently is.

Threads about Trump and threads about climate change seem to have the greatest potential for turning into a skunk fight.



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04 Jan 2020, 8:36 am

EzraS wrote:

Threads about Trump and threads about climate change seem to have the greatest potential for turning into a skunk fight.


I try to maintain a sense of humour to defuse a situation.
I suggest others try this tactic.



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04 Jan 2020, 11:08 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sealioning, according to Wikipedia, is repeated requests for "evidence," or the asking of repeated questions, while purportedly seeking to learn from the person whom one is "sealioning."

People in the know, though, see sealioning as as a method of trolling, and an attempt to denigrate the person who is the subject of the "sealioning."

Context is important. "Sealioning" is derived from a character in a Wondermark comic book. This means that somebody who has never read Wondermark would find it difficult to discern the origin of this term.

The term hasn't entered the standard lexicon yet. Though, in time, it probably will.


I’m confused.

If people are going to make a claim, they should provide some evidence to support it. The “burden of proof” is on the person making the claim. If someone is telling me that the White House is housing an alien army, then I’m going to ask for some evidence, not that I wouldn’t find this entirely believable.

Also, Socrates methods could be described as “sealioning.”


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04 Jan 2020, 12:06 pm

I’m not talking about that.

I’m talking about intention. It depends on specific context to discern intention.

Nothing wrong with the Socratic Method if it leads to constructive dialogue. There is the potential for repeated questions to become harangues, though—intended to harass.