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12 Feb 2022, 9:16 am

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The Kardashians are Armenian....but that has nothing to do with anything....they are mostly people who like the media limelight. They might as well be Cushitic or Inuit.


I don't really know anything about celebrities. They are the bottom of my list of people who I care about, apart from maybe 3 people? Even the ones I know about - I only know their music and what that music means. (I don't follow television or movie celebrities).

Celebrities as a topic, don't interest me. I wish they/this category did, as it would make me more successful in monetary terms, probably, but I can't try hard at what I don't care about.


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12 Feb 2022, 9:25 am

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I get 0 on narcissist tests, which probably is just as much an issue as being a narcissist when I think about it. :|

Being an empath sorta sucks when you combine it with autism.


Would that be 0 out of 40?

Your score indicates that you have no, or just a few, narcissistic tendencies.
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12 Feb 2022, 9:29 am

The Test.
https://www.mind-diagnostics.org/narcissism-test

Quote:
Take this mental health test. It’s quick, free and you’ll get your confidential results instantly. 2 minute quiz


Just skip the email thing, to go to the results.


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12 Feb 2022, 4:57 pm

theprisoner wrote:
Would that be 0 out of 40?


Yeah. They all seem to be the same or similar tests. I don't get hits for it on generalized personality disorder tests either. I took a really long one similar to the generalized tests in the real world when being diagnosed for some stuff several years ago, and Schizoid, Schizotypal and OCPD were what I got lots of hits on, but they didn't bother with those because they were certainly due more severe disorders, but that was screening.

I figure it'd be far easier, at least emotionally, to be a narcissist than the opposite (it'd best to be normal, of course), especially with autism. The hypersensitivity to emotions of others being compounded by both, and the inability to really get to know people with the latter, so you hold onto things longer than you should. Thems the breaks though.

Echoist is another term for it.



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14 Feb 2022, 12:08 pm

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The Greek myth of Echo and Narcissus has interesting details pertaining to this.


also the biblical lucifer, Found in Ezekiel, Isaiah, and the big debil in the book of Daniel, who did not regard the desire of Women, like Lucy did to Echo



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14 Feb 2022, 10:00 pm

I mean like Narcissus did to echo - and im pretty sure that reading of Daniel makes more sense than most of the alternatives, but that of course does not make it correct.



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15 Feb 2022, 12:01 am

UBCs philosophy dept may be infested, lol

https://open.library.ubc.ca/soa/cIRcle/ ... 097000?o=0

Whoever gave this guy a phd for this should be shot. While his rmp score is not that low, if you read the comments it is clear the most thoughtful coments are complaints about authoritarian bs with this guy, which is no surprise considering his 'central thesis'

https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRa ... ?tid=58223

and this is how he got me interested in his 'work', im pretty sure he does say "bums"

https://youtu.be/24xUaAfW5D0?t=573

gee thanks for unleashing such a great professer on us UBC, :jester:



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15 Feb 2022, 12:35 pm



Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete;

"iNHaLinG Peace EXHaLinG LoVE iN
JoY oF LiGHT For All Giving, Sharing,
Caring, Healing All With Least Harm;

Moving through all the Questions for
The "Narcissistic Test," i Score A Zero Out of 40 too;

And YeS It's Worth Noting the 'Psychological Malady
Narcissism' is Not Measured By How Much A Person

Loves Him and Or Her Self as i am Surely No Timid Soul

To Love Myself or The Rest of Existence too by Way of Beyond
Agape Love Yet It's True Without Empathy And Compassion For Those Often
Abused or Neglected in Social Stress From Young As Gardened Through A Life

Span this
Way Pulled
Like Weeds,
Worthless Weeds,

THere Are Two Ways to Go;
Either Victory of Love Within Loving it All

Or Neither Empathy or Compassion Truly
Developing Evolving Now For Self And The Rest of Existence

WHere All That's Left May Be Vengeance Against All the Rest And

Self Too; Yet of Course, those are "the Extremes of an Idealized

Scale of 0 to 40;" Most Are In the In-between Changing

Continuously Over

A Lifetime Now;

It's Pretty Easy to Spot
Someone With Little to
No Empathy and Compassion In

How They Treat Wait-Staff At A Restaurant,
Even When they Get Bad-Service As The Empath

Will Always Seek to Bring Someone Up Whereas the
Narcissist Malignant is Never Naked Enough Whole Complete

FiLLeD NoW

And FeeLeD
With Love
Within
Yes
God
Yes Now

to Muster
Up The Fire Within
That's Real All the Nicely
Balancing Neurochemicals
And Neurohormones at Best
in Flow in Autotelic Way Generating Within

Fountain-Over-Flowing to Give, to Give, to Give,

WHere When a Narcissist Low on Empathy and
Compassion Person Tries to Bring 'Them' Down, 'They'


Usually Just
Get Washed
Away By All
The LoVE iN
Ocean, Wave
Water Whole Way
Most often then, Yes

Silently Leaving 'The Room'...

It Happens Now and then, Hehe;
And It's Truly Really Not Funny At
All Just Predictable That's all Just

Another 'Thing'

in Life that
Makes You
Go Hmm...

That's What i Expected,

When i Wasn't Expecting
Anything in Return at all for a Give of Love...

It's Really Hard to Live Life When One Feels Empty
Within, When There is Never A Tall Enough 'Trump Tower'

To Fill

AND FEEL

The Void

Within NoW WHere
Love Wins, WHeRE Love Just Wins Naturally
Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete Mastering
The All in All Love For All of Existence DarK Thru LiGHT ALL..:)



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15 Feb 2022, 12:51 pm

I do not think that its true that Narcissts do not feel anything.
they re simply.. addicted to fame, compliments, whatever that makes them forget this black hole inside.
And exactly like all the addicts, they destroy their family, friends.. whatever they touch.
As for empaths keeping Narcissts in check. Personally, the one who feels too much is too overwhelmed to do anything.
Especially against Narcisst.



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15 Feb 2022, 1:07 pm

Narcissist is a overused Ad hominem.

Avrum Weiss, Ph.D. wrote:
One final intriguing aspect of this trend is that as a culture we’ve gone from a preoccupation with borderline personality disorder, which is most often diagnosed in women, to an obsession with narcissistic personality disorder, which is most often diagnosed in men. Perhaps as the pendulum swings from fearing and pathologizing women to fearing and pathologizing men, we will eventually find our way to a middle ground that is more accepting and validating of all differences.


Why Has "Narcissist" Become Such a Dirty Word?
Narcissism is a character trait, not just a diagnosis.
Posted February 2, 2022



aghogday wrote:
Scale of 0 to 40;" Most Are In the In-between Changing

Continuously Over

A Lifetime Now;

It's Pretty Easy to Spot
Someone With Little to
No Empathy and Compassion In

How They Treat Wait-Staff At A Restaurant,


I'm generally courteous and polite. Especially to people who are serving me food... :) :D :lol:
9 out of 40. Not perfect score. But I never said I was perfect. And I don't pretend to be.
People with addictions, do tend to destroy their lives,and leave a trail of destruction, I've noticed that.
I believe that underlying personality disorders play a role in such cases.


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15 Feb 2022, 1:41 pm

^^^



Even With Dogs;

An Abused/Neglected Dog
Or Other Social Animal Like US

Ends Up With A Much
Different Way of Seeing
And Doing the World than

A Loved Dog With Trust
in the World Around Him

And Or
Her; It's Common

in Life Stories; When
'They' Ask, How Was 'Your
Childhood;' Warm or Freezing Cold;

Or Just Some 'Luke Warm' Combo; Yes

THere Are Warm and Cold Folks in the
World; the Warmest Ones Generally
Come From

A Place

of Love

Fed From
Early On For Real...

And On the Other Hand(s);
Nature is What it is; A Few
Are Just Not Born with what
it takes; Yet There is Always Some
Potential for Epigenetic Change with
A Generous Helping of Newer Neuroplasticities
True As

Well

to Escape
The SCaRCiTiES
of Within, Breeding
Both Addictions and
Narcissistic Malignant
And Borderline Malignant
Personality Disorders As Well...
As Indeed, Some Kind of Addiction
Usually Replaces The Lack of Warmth
Within
Lasting

Moving,

Connecting,

And Co-Creating
iN A Love For All of Existence New Now;
Peaks And Valleys; That's Life/Love And

'The Others,'

True too..:)



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15 Feb 2022, 1:49 pm

From my FB days, I remember guy who was posing as empath... but woe betide to you moment you did not agree with him.
He was endlessly whiney, how he was always running on narcissts and how they re abusing him.
no matter how factual you were, he blocked you.
and anyone who agreed with you.
After studying matter deeper I think he was just covert narcisst, who got regularly trashed by grandiose narcissts.



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15 Feb 2022, 2:03 pm

^ Aghogday, yeah , childhood environment is critical.
Dogs physically beaten , as puppies, will inevitable turn mean and vicious.
Same with people. Prison proves this point.
Epigenetics..., apparently hardship of grandparents, say for e.g. famine in their youth, can effect grandchildren. Impairing their health. Traits, I think seem to skip generations.
I read that somewhere.
All my grandparents were kinda sickly in various ways....not good.
My childhood was mainly warm, but it could have been hotter.
As far as people posing as empaths.
It's a known fact that psychopaths pretend to be model citizens, the most upstanding, and pure in any community. It's their cover. they go above and beyond what a normal person would do to appear charitable and virtuous.
That's why I always trust rebels, and people who are matryd, or are controversial, and are not conformists, because they are more truthful generally. Because they put their neck on the line.


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15 Feb 2022, 3:52 pm

^^^



THere is Negative And Positive Epigenetics
AND Neuroplasticity Potentialities in One Lifetime

of Continuous Change, Unlocking Genetic Potentials;

Both Positive And Negative, in Our Ancestral "Campbell's Mix of Soup,"

Depending On Environment, Use or Lose Possibilities, And of course

Adaptation; Both Positive And Negative to the Challenges We meet

ALL
THE WAY
ACROSS THE
LIFESPAN NOW...

IN MY 66 Month stint of
HeLL ON Earth; All 19 Life
Threatening Disorders in Synergy
With that Worst Pain Known to Humankind
From Wake to Sleep Then No Drug Would Touch,

Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia, Taking Two years
in to even get it diagnosed by a Pain Specialist Losing

The Memory Of if i Ever Smiled As Then, i Took the AQ Test by
Simon Baron Cohen, Scoring 45, Close to the "Top of the Class"
For Systemizers on The Autism Spectrum Condition Way; And in the
Mid 50's, Then, On A Widely Used Internet Emotional Quotient Test too;

The Once Standard, Now Seen As Not So Reliable Test of Personality, With An
INTJ Personality; Recovering After That With All These Scores Dramatically Changing

to the Other End of the Spectrums at 11 for the AQ Test; Mid 90's, Then For the Emotional
Quotient Test; And In that Old Personality Test Then And Now Still ENFP, Although i Still Do
The INTJ Thingie On Demand; And the Big Five O.C.E.A.N. Test, 100 Percent Open Minded
Now; 100 Percent Extroverted; Close to Zero on Neuroticism; With A Healthy Measure of
Being Able to Say No, Now, And i Disagree, on the Agreeable Trait; And Conscientious Enough

To Finish what
i am Laser
Task Focused
on Now At least; Yet Not Nearly
Good Enough For my Wife, HAha...

Who Makes Sure i am not too Late
for All the Life Required Functioning
Important Dates in Life; True Still Not

Really A Valuable Commodity for 'Normal Life' Haha...

Yet As 'They' Say, the Worst Poverty Is Not Understanding One's Self
And 'These Days' With Attention Spans Less than a Gold Fish As Science
Shows of Less than 3 Seconds, It Does Take Longer Than That in Introspection
to Become

Innately,

Instinctually,
Intuitive Enough
for An Internal Locus
of Control That Really Works
Not So Mastered By The 'CuLTuRE'
And the Rest of the Environment 'Out There'

in the
'Matrix'
As Such
as Movies
Depict too iN 'These
Prophetic Movie Fulfilling Day
Ways' As 'Terminator' Mechanical
Cognition Machines Lost From Space
Of Mind That Does all the Colors of Painting
Social-Empathic-Spiritual-Artistic LoVinG ReNeWeD ANeW Now

Left Somewhere
As An 'Avatar'

in Some Ways
Missing a Full
Organic Soul,
Actually Dancing
And Singing Life More in "Analog

Kid Way"

Than Bits and Bytes of Digital Life...

Anyway, i Took Another "Narcissistic Versus
Timid Soul Test," When i Was Down in HeLL ON EartH
For Those 66 Months and i Scored Low on the Totem Pole of Timid Soul...

After Leaving Hell, i Scored Close to the Middle to What 'Famous Folks' Score....

Ironically, When i Went Back to the Bottom of this Test Provided Today, i Had
Actually Experienced The Kind of Fame Some Folks Seek, Where Lots of Folks Let

You Know it and
Treat You Like
A Celebrity Where You Live;

Sure, Where the Young Women
Seek You Out in Pairs for a Grinding
Dance in the Public Dance Hall And Everyone

Wants to be in a Picture With You As it makes
Them Feel a Little bit Famous too After A Video Voyeur

Took A Video of me Public Dancing That Went Viral Then...

True, i've Even Experienced Young Folks Actually Falling to their
Knees With Their Hands Clasped-Up, Mocking Worship As Such in Religious Way...

Folks Yelling Out Of Their Car Windows, LEGEND as i Walked City Streets at 2 AM After Public Dance...

And indeed That was A Most Humbling

And Uncomfortable Experience As i Didn't

Realize How Much Privilege i Had of

Being Outcast Most of my Life....

As They Say, Be Careful What Ya Wish
For As It's Kinda Nice to Be A Nobody;

Just Another

Bird on A Wing
Soaring Around
The Sun that Nobody Notices;

(Except For my Sister, A Bird Nerd
With Asperger's Syndrome Who Has
The County Record in Spotting the
Most Species in One Calendar Year)

Anyway, i Do A Pretty Good Job
of Veering away from All the Attention;

Usually, It is my Wife Bringing it to my Attention;
Haha, Like A Month or So Ago, A Brazen Young Woman
Took A Picture of my Butt As Old as it is Today Just Waiting in

A Line

To Pay
For my
Wife's Goods
at the Store;

i Still Get Folks literally
Asking for my Autograph...

Yet What i Realize Clearly
Is iT All Felt More Genuine
And Sincere, the Close to Two Decades
i Spent From Handing Out Rental Shoes
to Managing A Military Bowling Center Just

Sharing a SMiLe

Serving Someone

As Indeed the Best

Gift Really i See is A Smile
Shared Between Human Beings Free....

Indeed, i've Brought a Few Smiles to Folks in my Life...

And Made a Few Dogs Bark in the Neighborhood With A Very Loud 'Cosmic Sneeze' hehe...

Seriously, it's Like i'm Part Gorilla Now; Our Next Door Neighbor Said She Heard it With
Her Doors And Windows Closed At Night, When i Sneezed on the Other Side of the Block

Dancing

Free

At Night;

Yet Really Than In Itself
is Part of Epigenetic Potential

As Science Shows Humans Still
Have the Potential of Actually Becoming, Being,
Strong as Orangutans With Use And Not Lose

of Moving

Life Every
Day And

Climbing
Life A Little Higher
All the Way ACross the
Lifespan; Not Much Different
Than "Jack LaLanne," Towing 70
Boats Across A Bay, Swimming at 70 Years-Old...

Or in My Case Moving From 45 to 11 on the AQ Test

At Age 53

And Getting

3 Times Stronger
in Terms of Weight
on A Leg Press machine

By the Age of 59, Still Leg
Pressing up to 1520 Pounds With
All the Leg Pressing Machine Will
Hold; And Now Warming Up with 1380
Pounds, 3 Times A Week, With my Arms
Still Raised to the "Heavens" In So Much Balance...

It's Indeed, "Be the Water," Friends With Gravity, "Fear
Is For Others," And When Fear Leaves So Much Weakness Goes Away...

Inhaling Peace

Plenty of Room
To Exhale Real Positive
Energy of LoVE iN JoY oF LiGHT

THere's Always Room For Improvement

Never Any Real Goal As Now Is All that is

Naked,
Enough,
Whole,
Complete;

Just A Practice of
Life in my View of Heaven Now For Real;
Of Course Mileage Varies, Depending on
Make And Model of Being Human Through the Ages

Still to
Come Anew...

Yet Indeed, This is in More
Alignment With the Original
Definition of 'Meek;' Naked
Enough, Whole, Complete,

WHere Life is So Much More
of Give, Share, Care, Heal

Versus the

Other Side
of Take,
Hoard,
Callous

Harming

Others; And or Even
Neglecting Them in Emotional Distress...

Eternally Now A Life Long Practice of Down or Up Waves..:)



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15 Feb 2022, 4:19 pm

^ That's great that you turned things around. From Neuralgia hell to positive and contented.
And I commented before on how young you look for you age. Lucky telomeres.
Yeah, I believe personality traits, IQ, AQ, are not set in stone.
James Cameron is a favorite director of mine.

OJ was going to play Terminator, originally. Yeah , that OJ. Stan Winston FX. 1983. Los Angles. Based on a Outer Limits story...I digress

I have a cousin I suspect is aspergers. (He has nerdy interests.)
They say millennials (and younger) were fostered to be narcissistic, and the culture is now more narcissistic than ever.
I will not argue against that. Though there still altruistic people under 30 too. To counteract that stereotype.
Yeah Jack LaLanne, a remarkable individual, I doubt many will make it those levels of fitness though.
Maybe with future technology, gene splicing, nanotechnology, etc
Truly then the matrix will become not just Keanu Reeves Hollywood vehicle ,but a reality.
Brave New World.


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15 Feb 2022, 4:21 pm

theprisoner wrote:
Narcissist is a overused Ad hominem.


Perhaps in the same way ADHD is 'over' diagnosed - diagnosing the wrong people,

but after reading this I really have my doubts, first time I have seen such a cluster B apologist.

Quote:
Examining narcissism
What’s missing from these hyperbolic overgeneralizations is any understanding that narcissism is an often-adaptive character trait found in many people—and not just a diagnosis. People who have narcissistic personality disorder are what therapists call “other-centered,” meaning that they are so insecure that they rely excessively on others to reassure them they are OK. The inflated picture of themselves they project to others is a not-very-effective way to compensate for their own deeply felt sense of inadequacy. There is an old joke about the narcissist out on a first date who talks incessantly about himself, leaving almost no room for his date to speak. Finally, realizing that he has been monopolizing the conversation, the narcissist says, “Enough about me, let’s talk about you. How do you like me so far?”

Narcissism is also a personality trait that, like most traits, is normally distributed in the population, meaning that most people have some narcissistic features, and some have far more or far less than average (APA, 2021). Most people who have careers requiring them to be in the limelight, such as politicians, speakers, and athletes, likely have at least a healthy amount of narcissism. Narcissism helps people be more assertive, resilient, successful, and tolerant of adversity.


successful, oh wow, I guess that makes up for all the gaslighting and abuse he fails to mention? And im not sure "tolerant of adversity" is consistent or true at all. Perhaps financial adversity to do with sucess, but not adversity to their abusive BS. I guess that tells us where this 'psychologist' is coming from. Getting blown real good by mammon.

overused lmao.