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11 Sep 2025, 6:12 pm

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Do you have any legitimate research citations to support those wild claims?


Do you have any legitimate research to prove they are wild claims?
The burden of proof rests on the person making the claim(s).



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12 Sep 2025, 10:10 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:
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Do you have any legitimate research citations to support those wild claims?


Do you have any legitimate research to prove they are wild claims?
The burden of proof rests on the person making the claim(s).




Hmmmm, well if we apply logic to your statement the BOTH of us would be required to provide proof as both sides are making claims.

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Scientific research can provide us with factual, repeatable, measurable, and determinable results. As such, scientific research can provide information that can be used in the decision-making process in the care of patients and in public policy. Although it has been suggested that ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+)-containing compounds do not cross the blood-brain barrier (BBB), this review examines the literature that addresses the question as to whether ethylmercury-containing compounds cross the BBB. The review will begin with cellular studies that provide evidence for the passive and active transport of mercury species across the BBB. Then, animal and clinical studies will be presented that specifically examine whether mercury accumulates in the brain after exposure to ethylmercury-containing compounds or Thimerosal (an ethylmercury-containing compound used as a preservative in vaccines and other drugs that metabolizes or degrades to ethylmercury-containing compounds and thiosalicylate). The results indicate that ethylmercury-containing compounds are actively transported across membranes by the L (leucine-preferring)-amino acid transport (LAT) system, the same as methylmercury-containing compounds. Further, 22 studies from 1971 to 2019 show that exposure to ethylmercury-containing compounds (intravenously, intraperitoneally, topically, subcutaneously, intramuscularly, or intranasally administered) results in accumulation of mercury in the brain. In total, these studies indicate that ethylmercury-containing compounds and Thimerosal readily cross the BBB, convert, for the most part, to highly toxic inorganic mercury-containing compounds, which significantly and persistently bind to tissues in the brain, even in the absence of concurrent detectable blood mercury levels.Examining the evidence that ethylmercury crosses the blood-brain barrier


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12 Sep 2025, 11:49 pm

The actual evidence is that there is no connection.

The principal author of the the paper you quoted from got her PhD in Human Development and Communication Sciences. Her only claimed affiliation is with an apparently very minor entity rather than with hospitals or medical research groups. That doesn't give me any confidence in her results.



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13 Sep 2025, 7:22 am

ShwaggyD wrote:
Hmmmm, well if we apply logic to your statement the BOTH of us would be required to provide proof as both sides are making claims.
No, that’s not how this works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying that someone is making extraordinary claims just means that they better be able to back up what they are saying with appropriate evidence/research. (A long post, featuring scientific claims, especially of the extraordinary variety, and no citations certainly isn’t ideal. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.) It does not entail someone else doing their research for them.



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02 Oct 2025, 11:50 am

We need more studies like this. I knew there was no link all along.


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02 Oct 2025, 1:07 pm

Hmmmmm, a quick AI inquiry into mercury crossing the BBB quickly shows that it not only can easily pass through but can cause symptoms and neurological issues closely related to autism. I know many out there refuse to accept this as truth, even though science has known it for many years. Autism itself is an umbrella term that covers an extremely wide range of neurological issues, which is part of the confusion people seem to have.

Most people here would be most likely be on the aspie area of the spectrum, and in this particular area there is a belief that this form of autism does have a significant genetic aspect and cause. There also happens to many neurological issues that are currently being classified as autism that seem to show zero or minimal genetic causation. If not genetic then what?

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Yes, certain forms of mercury, especially methylmercury and ethylmercury, can cross the blood-brain barrier (BBB). Once in the brain, mercury can cause serious neurological damage, including impaired cognitive and motor development, nerve damage, and oxidative stress, leading to a range of symptoms from mild attention deficits to severe developmental problems in children.
How mercury crosses the blood-brain barrier
Organic mercury:
Methylmercury and ethylmercury are forms of organic mercury that are fat-soluble and can readily cross the BBB. They use an active transport system, similar to that for amino acids like methionine, to move across the barrier.
Elemental mercury:
Elemental mercury is also lipid-soluble and can cross the BBB, especially when inhaled, and can also enter the brain from the nasal cavity via the olfactory pathway.
Impeded exit:
Once elemental mercury is in the brain, it is oxidized to the mercuric ion, which has difficulty crossing back out of the brain and can get trapped, leading to accumulation.
Effects of mercury on the brain
Damage to developing brains:
In unborn babies and young children, mercury exposure can harm the developing nervous system, potentially leading to impaired cognitive abilities, learning disabilities, and motor skill problems.
Neurotoxicity:
Mercury can damage neurons and interfere with their normal function. It can cause oxidative stress, neuroinflammation, and interfere with critical molecular pathways, such as glutamate signaling.
Specific damage:
In adults, the cerebellum and cerebral cortex are particularly vulnerable, with mercury exposure causing neuron loss in these areas.
Long-term accumulation:
Organic mercury can be converted to inorganic mercury in the brain, and while the organic form can exit, the inorganic form can persist in brain tissue for years. This persistent presence contributes to long-term neurological damage.
Cognitive and motor effects:
Symptoms of mercury poisoning can include a variety of issues such as movement abnormalities, visual problems, convulsions, and a lowered IQ.
Other considerations
Risk factors:
Developing fetuses, unborn children, and young children are especially at risk because their nervous systems are still developing.
Clinical presentation:
Neurotoxicity often takes time to manifest after exposure because the mercury needs time to accumulate in the brain above a toxic threshold.
Biomarkers:
Blood mercury can be a good indicator of short-term exposure, while urine mercury is a better indicator of long-term exposure to both elemental and inorganic mercury.


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02 Oct 2025, 1:13 pm

Aluminum also can cross the BBB and cause neurological issues as well. According to a quick and easy AI search we find that

Yes, aluminum can pass through the blood-brain barrier (BBB), and it is considered a neurotoxin that can accumulate in the brain and contribute to neurological problems like memory and thinking issues. Aluminum can enter the brain through the BBB, choroid plexuses, and the nasal cavity. Once inside the brain, it can cause problems such as cognitive impairment and is linked to the development of neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
How aluminum enters the brain
Through the blood-brain barrier:
While the BBB normally prevents many substances from entering the brain, aluminum can pass through it by altering the BBB's permeability to allow more material to enter.
Via the nasal cavity:
Aluminum can be inhaled through the nose and travel directly to the brain.
Through the choroid plexuses:
The choroid plexuses also provide a route for aluminum to enter the brain.
By "Trojan horse" mechanism:
Aluminum can be carried into the brain by immune cells that transport it across the BBB.
Effects on the brain
Cognitive impairment:
Aluminum exposure has been shown to cause cognitive impairment and is linked to neurodegenerative disorders like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease.
Cellular damage:
Aluminum can induce neuronal apoptosis (cell death) through mechanisms like endoplasmic stress and mitochondrial dysfunction.
Altered BBB function:
Aluminum can increase the permeability of the BBB, allowing more harmful substances to enter the brain. It may also affect the expression of proteins crucial to the BBB's integrity.
Accumulation and persistence:
Aluminum that enters the brain can persist for a long time because its clearance from the brain is slow.


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02 Oct 2025, 1:17 pm

Then we must look into if there is a cumulative effect of mercury and aluminum once past the BBB.

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Once aluminum and mercury cross the blood-brain barrier (BBB), they can accumulate in the brain, causing neurotoxicity by inducing oxidative stress, interfering with cellular processes, and leading to neurodegenerative damage over time.
This can contribute to cognitive decline and neurological disorders such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease. The cumulative effects include damage to neurons, altered neurotransmission, and potential neuroinflammation. 
Cumulative effects of aluminum Oxidative stress: Aluminum induces oxidative stress, which can lead to the death of neurons (apoptosis). 

Neurofilament disruption: It interferes with the transport and assembly of neurofilaments, which are crucial for the structure and function of neurons. 

Protein accumulation: Aluminum has been linked to the accumulation of abnormal tau and amyloid-beta proteins in the brain, a hallmark of Alzheimer's disease. Slow elimination: The long elimination half-life of aluminum from the brain (\(7\) years) means it can accumulate over time, causing continuous damage. 

Cumulative effects of mercury Neurotransmitter disruption: Mercury can directly harm neurons by interfering with essential biochemical processes, including neurotransmission. 
Oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction: It can cause oxidative stress and damage to mitochondria, leading to cell dysfunction and death. 

Neurodevelopmental effects: Chronic exposure, especially during childhood, can lead to a range of neurological problems, including difficulty with concentration, coordination, and executive function. Neurobehavioral and psychiatric symptoms: Long-term exposure can result in tremors, anxiety, and other psychiatric issues. Shared and combined effects Shared pathways: Both metals can cause neurotoxicity through shared pathways like oxidative stress and disruption of the nervous, endocrine, and immune systems. Complex interactions: The combined effect of exposure to both aluminum and mercury can be different from exposure to either one alone, as they can interact and cause damage through multiple mechanisms. 


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15 Dec 2025, 11:53 am

WHO Reaffirms That 'Childhood Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism' After Reviewing Latest Research

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The World Health Organization has reaffirmed that there is no link between vaccines and autism, after a new review of the available medical data.

“New analysis from a WHO global expert committee on vaccine safety has found that, based on available evidence, no causal link exists between vaccines and autism spectrum disorders (ASD). The conclusion reaffirms WHO’s position that childhood vaccines do not cause autism,” the global health organization said in a statement.

The announcement came after a review of 31 studies conducted over a period of 15 years. The most recent research was done in August 2025 by the WHO Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety (GACVS). The committee said in a Dec. 11 statement that it had first examined the relationship between vaccines containing thiomersal — a preservative that some anti-vax groups believe is linked to autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

The agency wrote that the evidence “strongly supports the positive safety profile of vaccines used during childhood and pregnancy, and confirms the absence of a causal link with ASD.”

The organization also reviewed data on aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines, and “found no association between aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines and chronic or systemic diseases." As the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia explains, an "adjuvant is a vaccine component that boosts the immune response to the vaccine." It allows for fewer, smaller vaccine doses.

While the WHO reported that two studies found “an association” between aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines and autism, the studies had "methodological limitations” and had a “critical risk of bias.”

This is the fourth review of vaccine safety, the organization said, with previous ones completed in 2002, 2004 and 2012. This most recent review “reaffirms the conclusions that the available high-quality scientific evidence indicates that vaccines, including those with thiomersal or aluminium or both, do not cause autism," the WHO said.


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15 Dec 2025, 6:12 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
WHO Reaffirms That 'Childhood Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism' After Reviewing Latest Research
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The World Health Organization has reaffirmed that there is no link between vaccines and autism, after a new review of the available medical data.

“New analysis from a WHO global expert committee on vaccine safety has found that, based on available evidence, no causal link exists between vaccines and autism spectrum disorders (ASD). The conclusion reaffirms WHO’s position that childhood vaccines do not cause autism,” the global health organization said in a statement.

The announcement came after a review of 31 studies conducted over a period of 15 years. The most recent research was done in August 2025 by the WHO Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety (GACVS). The committee said in a Dec. 11 statement that it had first examined the relationship between vaccines containing thiomersal — a preservative that some anti-vax groups believe is linked to autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

The agency wrote that the evidence “strongly supports the positive safety profile of vaccines used during childhood and pregnancy, and confirms the absence of a causal link with ASD.”

The organization also reviewed data on aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines, and “found no association between aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines and chronic or systemic diseases." As the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia explains, an "adjuvant is a vaccine component that boosts the immune response to the vaccine." It allows for fewer, smaller vaccine doses.

While the WHO reported that two studies found “an association” between aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines and autism, the studies had "methodological limitations” and had a “critical risk of bias.”

This is the fourth review of vaccine safety, the organization said, with previous ones completed in 2002, 2004 and 2012. This most recent review “reaffirms the conclusions that the available high-quality scientific evidence indicates that vaccines, including those with thiomersal or aluminium or both, do not cause autism," the WHO said.



This is nothing more than another weak attempt to push the "vaccines are safe and effective" mantra promoted and financed by the vaccine industry. We don't know why this article was posted on People.com as it is in no way a scientific publication. Also, the US has withdrawn from the WHO for reasons that strongly suggests that its opinions should be questioned and investigated.

The WHO didn't replicate any of the past studies or implement any other new studies or testing, they merely reviewed a scant 31 previous studies from the past 15 years to reach the same conclusions. To find actual, conclusive proof these past studies must be replicated and new studies into this subject designed, ran, and replicated. That is how real science is done, that is how honest truth is found.


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