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25 Sep 2025, 9:44 am
I don't know all the ins and outs of the government in The UK but I imagine Farage will want to do austerity measures and privatize things. Meaning he would be Thatcher 2.0. One thing is sure, regardless of country, is that supply side economics, austerity measures, and privatizing everything just makes things worse. Benefits the rich and no one else.
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25 Sep 2025, 10:24 am
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I'll be voting Labour at the the next election. I would never vote for Farage as I think he's a con man. I'd like to see us back in the EU and preferably in the Euro.
I'm going to vote Labour again too. I know the right will hate me for it. I want to go back into the EU as well.
I will not... I hate them all, party doesn't make any difference and just in it for themselves... Only thing we can do is make it difficult for one of them to get too much power... (but because 'it is not us, people just voted wrong' finding ways to get the same people continuing as before elections is always a difficult task... Brussels still no government for over a year now and this does create problems). As for left & right... we have left parties going right, right parties going left. Whatever gets the vote. It's like usa... It is not Trump alone... There is no opposition, nobody is on 'our' side.
As for the original post... I cannot give false hope and have to be honest... We are going trough the exact procedure, first people will loose their unemployment early 2026. This is not "they want to", it started. In about half a year, I might have better news. We have other "safety nets" that are bracing themselves but there isn't a real minimum they will give you. The (translate badly, usually means something else) 'living wage' that everybody seems to think is given to everybody ("certainly those illegal people with 6 iphones to call home" ) can also be taken away (oa if you can't prove you actively are looking for a job).
If I may: never rejoin the EU, you'll only have to lose.
It's a terrible idea for Italy to join: we've become impoverished.
We (and Spain) have given our money to help Greece.
20 billion euros for us and 10 billion for Spain.
I won't mention which countries, but they are the two remaining important ones, besides us, who speculated on the Greek crisis, creating and maintaining it.
§ Just one example: also because Greece could boast almost 100 billion euros from Germany.
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They've only taken billions of euros from us for countries like those in Eastern Europe that have accepted membership in the EU.
In addition to keeping us in economic stagnation every year for 23 years now with absurd ideas about a debt-to-GDP ratio of 3%.
The absurd thing is that now we're within that parameter, while other countries can't!
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Keep your pound.
Stay independent from the EU.
Seek national cohesion among your states. § The EU will be very short-lived. § Italy wanted you to remain in the EU, while other states did everything they could to push you away.
I remember many clashes between your representatives and EU representatives in Brussels; know that your politicians back then were very sensible. § Instinctively, Farage worries me.
But it's a feeling. § But how long will this politician last?
You'll have better ones later. § Regarding maintaining your own currency, it's fundamental.
You'll be able to issue new currencies and decide what to do, without others imposing absurdities to your total disadvantage. § It would be nice to form alliances between the UK, the US, and Italy. § Regarding the EU, there has always been an economic war between the EU and the US, and this is absurd.
The US's decision not to have anything to do with the EU at all is not a bad one, for many reasons.
I think an EU led by France and Germany (as it will end) will be a failure. § Then, after Brexit, joining an EU where each state only thinks about its own economy and the plight of others and never helps... § Only because of the Covid-19 situation have they left us completely alone. § But when it came to taking billions of euros, we always gave them.
For states that will never give them back. § Farage can't be worse than Thatcher. § In the decade before Thatcher, there was terrorism in Italy. And massacres. Despite the crisis of the 1970s, our economy grew by 17% at the time.
We were at risk of a dictatorship. They had kidnapped a symbolic politician, Aldo Moro, who had been Prime Minister five times.
Moreover, the facts narrated about his kidnapping are and remain illogical. We still don't know the truth: we have some convenient narratives.
But kidnapping Aldo Moro in Rome, as they said, was impossible. The city was under complete control both by the government and by a very important criminal gang, the Banda della Magliana. It controlled everything neighborhood by neighborhood: total hegemony then.
The story was that his kidnapping occurred under rather strange circumstances. An armored car, with an incompetent and external escort, unassailable. They made it change its route. The car was subjected to a shocking paramilitary attack. Everyone died except him, who didn't suffer a scratch. Then 55 days later they found him dead. § Have you ever seen an Italian film about those years? The reality was worse. § A relative of mine didn't take the train from Bologna in 1980. A large part of the station was blown up. § I've only mentioned two instances of fascist terrorism and communist terrorism. One black and the other red. § If in the future there were to be a war between us, the EU, and the UK, against Russia, we would be completely unable to maintain order in Europe and beyond.
I've read lots of people saying that Farage doesn't even want to be PM, it's too much work for him, he's not interested in running the country, because then he would be responsible for it, and he doesn't want responsibility for it, because he'd have us lot to answer to and he'd make such a sh*****g mess he'd be out at the next election, and that will cost him the confidence of (that section of) the British public (that foolishly believe him). Whether that's true or not I don't know, but there's no way I'd vote for that frog faced muppet.
Don't worry, it won't be in anyone's interest to wipe out the useful low-level and proletarian sectors; it wouldn't make sense: they'll certainly remain for years to come.
Apart from your Mr. Farage, who, if he's at that level, means someone up there wants him there.
You won't get there unless you have someone to put you there: Farage doesn't matter a damn thing, not even our Meloni, or some German minister, or other media puppets. It's useful for other powerful figures to be there right now. Things are decided 50 years in advance.
Neither Donald Trump nor Biden could have done otherwise.
The world is changing political, economic, geopolitical, and economic structures. An indisputable fact.
The nations that don't fall into line with this will be completely excluded from those that really matter. § I've read some incorrect comments about you, about the post-Brexit situation (the UK was courageous and sensible before, and nothing will be different afterward), and I don't wish it for you in the slightest.
You're in a better position than the EU; you'd be crazy to rejoin. This EU is a hopeless ship, full of holes, and sinking.
Do you really want to rejoin? §
We'd like to leave as citizens. § What will be done in Italy, and not just here? § Two-speed cities will be created. § Big cities that are unattainable for the lower classes: there will be migrant workers, and they will no longer live in those cities.
They won't be able to afford the high cost of living.
If you only studied Milan, you'd understand what I mean: you can't even live on two salaries if you don't earn more than €4,000.
§ Food, houses (I won't tell you the prices per square meter because they're crazy), transportation, cars (I don't know about you, but our brands produce top-notch chassis, not our excellent engines, which then go on to dominate the markets in South America and the US, producing them for brands you still think are yours, but aren't entirely yours anymore).
We've lost great brands: honestly, equipping Alfa Romeos that used to have Ferrari engines and were seven generations ahead of the best German ones is absurd.
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But not only that: the agreements with Stellantis are undermined by the hegemonic French government. § So their inferior engines are replacing ours. § Engines that break down quickly or stop working. § Many technical innovations are Italian: I won't mention them because there are so many of them and they're used all over the world. § For example, with my previous Italian car, I used 1 liter of diesel and traveled 23 km. With a fake Italian-branded car with a French engine, I can't get to 11. Maybe.
Electric: a huge flop.
They're pushing us towards this: For example, in Norway alone, 97% of cars are electric. The same thing will happen here.
Now, crappy electric engines here make up at least 50% of the "new" car fleet. § Does it pollute less? No! § Germany produces German cars with Chinese engines. Look what they're equipped with. § Top-class brands! §
There's no cohesion between states, but I read you want to rejoin the EU. § It doesn't make any sense. § Your choice is the right one. §
Brexit is fair § Then, if politicians don't do well, they'll have a very short life. Farage included. § Here, too, for many years, people who previously had considerable purchasing power have been turning into new poor, on the brink of survival. § Governments are aiming to make the economy welfare-based: it will have a two-speed system. Whether we like it or not.
This is what happens. § What won't disappear immediately?
Menial jobs. Like the one you do. We'll need to figure out whether you can stay in your city or go elsewhere: you'll definitely have work. § The point is that without the EU, for example, we'd be many positions ahead of where we are now. § Do you really want to rejoin this devastating mechanism? § As for the rest: you can't refuse jobs here either. You'll lose benefits.
SO... It doesn't matter.
§ You keep your currency. Maintain national cohesion, maintain the will to overcome this economic phase. As usual, you will succeed. History proves it. § At best, we survive economically with at least two jobs in medium-sized cities.
Do you really want to end up like this? § We were the fifth largest world power on the rise. Now we're no longer at our level.
Do you want this? § Rejoin the EU and you'll see... § International agreements will change.
Because what's happening today is unlikely to happen in the future. Determined to end the 1980s. § In Italy, there's a famous program where someone we thought was mad, Muammar Gaddafi. Libyan revolutionary, dictator, politician, and soldier, our colony, until 2011.
In 1981, the RAI program Ping Pong told us exactly what would happen half a century later. I can prove it because the TV program still exists. 1981! §
You can translate it automatically. Because YouTube allows it. Third jagged icon from the left goes to automatic translation.
You'll also have it in English.
§ Then there will be those who don't want to think for themselves and won't get informed. All right.
25 Sep 2025, 9:34 am
