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ASPartOfMe
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05 Oct 2025, 12:04 pm

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^Bob Dylan is by many people suspected to be autistic (in 2009 he was actually arrested on that suspicion). In his younger days he was a great live performer that knew how to handle a crowd. Greta Thunberg is unquestinable autistic and she is a charismatic public speaker.

Dylan was arrested on suspicion of being autistic? When was being autistic ever illegal?


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05 Oct 2025, 2:52 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
BillyTree wrote:
^Bob Dylan is by many people suspected to be autistic (in 2009 he was actually arrested on that suspicion). In his younger days he was a great live performer that knew how to handle a crowd. Greta Thunberg is unquestinable autistic and she is a charismatic public speaker.

Dylan was arrested on suspicion of being autistic? When was being autistic ever illegal?


Sorry, I got it wrong. Held for questioning not arrested.

Fordham Urban Law Journal Volume 38 Number 5 Symposium - Bob Dylan and the Law Article 8 2012 Arrested Development: Bob Dylan, Held For Questioning Under Suspicion of "Autism"

Excerpt from the article:

This Article discusses an encounter Bob Dylan had with the law
and its meaning in the context of the social constructions of mental
disability, in general, and on autism in particular. I do not, need not,
and should not speculate on Dylan’s autism status—something few
people could possibly know and that is a private matter.
On July 23, 2009, Bob Dylan was taken into custody by police in
Long Branch, New Jersey, after complaints from residents that he was
“suspicious” and perhaps “homeless.”1 According to arresting officer,
Kristie Buble (twenty-two years old at the time of the incident), “We
see a lot of people on our beat, and I wasn’t sure if he came from one
of our hospitals or something.”2
Buble’s remark implies that Dylan had a mental disability, rather
than a physical disease. She continued, however, “He was acting very
suspicious . . . . Not delusional, just suspicious. You know, it was
pouring rain and everything.”3
While Buble claimed later to have known who Bob Dylan was and
simply not to have recognized him from photos she had seen, one of
her colleagues offered a different account. After Buble asked Dylan
for identification, which he was not carrying./.../
Dylan was driven to his hotel, identified, and released without
charges being filed. Many reporters, readers, and commentators on
the numerous online accounts of this incident were outraged that an-
yone could be arrested and asked for identification simply for taking
a walk in the rain and being unusual or even shabby looking. It seems
that Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart would have concurred.
In a landmark decision concerning the forced confinement of the men-
tally disabled, Justice Stewart wrote for a unanimous court:
"May the State fence in the harmless mentally ill solely to save its cit-
izens from exposure to those whose ways are different? One might
as well ask if the State, to avoid public unease, could incarcerate all
who are physically unattractive or socially eccentric. Mere public in-
tolerance or animosity cannot constitutionally justify the deprivation
of a person’s physical liberty."


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05 Oct 2025, 4:16 pm

The headline is misleading as hell. I can’t believe that headline got in a Fordham law journal.


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05 Oct 2025, 4:19 pm

^^^ Greta Thunberg gives speeches in front of crowds. I have never seen her debate.
I put Kirk in a special category because of his capacity for "unscripted" debate.



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06 Oct 2025, 9:02 am

^I have seen Greta Thunberg debate but never Charlie Kirk. Doesn't mean he couldn't debate. Julian Assange is an other autistic with charisma and debate skills. I think there is a lot of them out there.


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06 Oct 2025, 1:25 pm

Just because a person can do things it doesn't mean they have autism.

"Assume all are allistic unless proven otherwise".


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06 Oct 2025, 3:38 pm

I'm saying standing in front of a crowd hostile neurotypicals and debating them isn't something 99.5% of people with autism could do without experiencing burnout fairly quickly.

I give Greta Thunberg credit as Swedish is her first language and her English is reasonably polished.