Autism isn’t one disorder, a genetic analysis shows
Because I'm honestly tired of reading studies that claim it's multifactorial.
Way too long, way too hard to follow, and so on.
From my unpublished, unprofessional, non-peer-reviewed insignificant life experiences - if your parent(s) are on the spectrum, then you will most likely be raised in and become acclimated to an on-the-spectrum lifestyle. It gets reinforced.
I understand the post is long: but it's not technically possible to outline a logical thought in a five-line sentence.
If that were to happen, it would simply be a non-explanation of a non-understanding of a non-reasoning, based on non-logic.
Outlining complex topics requires considerable time.
Doing so in a forum requires written words and expressed concepts, not just five lines.
The five lines predetermine a non-logical reasoning, but a clear preconceptions.
My answer:
1) In my case, my father wasn't autistic: in his family, they were predominant.
He was almost never home; he was always at work, and his lifestyle was purely focused on being away from home.
I excelled at school, and at work, I was fine with that.
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2) How does it get stronger? If you're never home?
Personally, I've always, if anything, lived in a world I still don't understand, and it's purely, if not totally, neurotypical.
3) My mother had Asperger's.
His mother, his father, his brothers and sisters, his nieces and nephews, my cousins, their children...
all autistic. Could there possibly be an interconnection with something different from the type of life you propose?
And that sense of inconsistency with the over-genetic dynamic.
Genetics is predominant, if not total.
Currently, studies suggest it increases to 83% of cases.
And as you'll notice below, the cases are prenatal. That is, they occur before birth.
They may be influenced by chemical or other mediators, but disambiguating one from the other is impossible (as of today).
4) Don't you think that reasoning differently from how the mass media so firmly propose (the latter prevail because they are disseminators and often cause immense damage) is an opportunity you won't find anywhere else, not even virtual?
5) My intuition, my memory, my willpower, and my ability to not rely solely on preconceived ideas are among the few qualities I recognize in myself: for better or worse, they are part of it.
6) I use line number 6 to tell you that even though you haven't written much, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for your important contribution. Even though it's very brief, I would suggest you never underestimate your abilities; the construction of your sentences indicates high-level ability.
We can accept anything: but know that it will always be to our detriment.
Thank you.
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This topic -- sure.
I'm not so surprised.
Because of how the diagnostic itself is mostly behavioral, disregarding internal mechanisms that involves and causes said behaviors.
I'm rather baffled why others do not think of that way instead -- that the idea that similar behaviors can have completely different reasoning behind it.
Just what is so special with autism that other conditions and circumstances can be ruled out from whatever confusion?
But then again, most people do not think about neurodivergency at it's core, only the ideas around it.
Let alone specifics.
And personally?
I'm just one of the too fortunate types who had a room to discern if something really is a part of my wiring or not.
Even more fortunate; the ability to remove something that isn't a part of my wiring for good.
All I can confidently say that mental illness is not in my genetics, and that neurodivergency isn't something that runs in my family.
I had a healthy birth.
And the mismanagement I had from a set of immature parents is more like their own ignorance by assuming I'm like them (NT) -- everything else is something most people went through in socioeconomic sense.
Because if I'm an NT, then why the heck is my reaction to the same adversities so different from peers?
But then, my reactions are also different from NDs too. At first I chalked it off as cultural until I met other autistics within my country.
Still different from them despite similar or worse of circumstances.
Really, the only thing that truly stood out to me that made me different from NDs and autistics alike is my own mother and her bloodline, and then there are my reactions.
Everything else made me different from NTs and everyone else allistic.
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In Poland there are many people, especially women, who receive pervasive developmental disorder diagnosis later than me, after 18th birthday despite the fact that ICD-10 was published in 1994 (but it might become used in Poland some years later - now in Poland ICD-10 is still generally used despite the fact that ICD-11 was published some years ago in the world (in 2022? I am not certain)). There are quite many women who were diagnosed with a pervasive developmental disorder in Poland after 2010 and as adults, so later than me and when they were older than me when they received the diagnosis of a pervasive developmental disorder.
Now I have the disability pension about 1700 PLN in Poland which is larger than about 300 euros mentioned by you that you receive in Italy. If 1 euro is about 4 - 5 PLN (currency in Poland), then 300 euros is only 1200 - 1500 PLN which is less than 1700 PLN. I have also small care allowance (Polish: "zasiłek pielęgnacyjny") thanks to early enough onset of my disability and it is about 215 PLN. So in general I have somewhat more than 1900 PLN netto disability benefits. It is clearly more than 300 euros (when 1 euro is 4 - 5 PLN). 400 euros would be 1600 - 2000 PLN then. Now 1 euro is about 4,25 PLN so 300 euros is about 1275 PLN and 400 euros is about 1700 PLN and my disability pension and care allowance combined are somewhat more than 1900 PLN. But not every one in Poland diagnosed with a pervasive developmental disorder received social pension and care allowance. Some people with a pervasive developmental disorder diagnosis in Poland are (at least initially) considered so slightly impaired on commissions about ruling of disability that they are not considered disabled by law (they do not receive even the mildest of the three levels of disability, at least after first commission, but they can appeal to be evaluated again after which they can be considered disabled by law and having one of the three levels of disability legally). I have (only temporal) ruling of moderate level of disability (Polish: "orzeczenie o umiarkowanym stopniu niepełnosprawności) and (only temporal) ruling of total incapacity of work (Polish: "orzeczenie o całkowitej niezdolności do pracy") - my disability and its cause started early enough to receive disability pension and care allowance and and my disability is in moderate level, not just in mild, so I have substantial benefits which help a lot in adult life. I have to apply for new rulings and re-evaluate when times of my rulings of level of disability and total incapacity of work are close to the end, which can be very stressful because of the concern that new rulings would be not allowing to have financial and other benefits while person's functioning is at the same level or even poorer than earlier, when the person received rulings which give right to the benefits, especially to disability pension. I was not diagnosed only with Asperger syndrome when I applied for rulings about disability and total incapacity of work - I regularly have schizotypal disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder in addition to Asperger syndrome mentioned in documents for the commissions which evaluate me.
The diagnoses made in pervasive development centers, usually dedicated to minors, are excellent: I'm surprised they left you in doubt about the diagnosis.
They didn't use guidelines, they didn't use tests, they didn't adequately follow up on your case?
I'm sorry.
But you can still get a clear specialist diagnosis.
I apologize because I tend to reply and miss the posts I initially replied to; I apologize for that.
The other issues defined in diagnosis one belong to cluster A.
Schizotypal person.
OCD: I understand it can be very invasive.
I had it too.
At 16, I couldn't get rid of it.
Even today, I tend to check trivialities: first, I left the house and checked that the door was properly locked.
Except I did it five times.
I think stress makes this type of impairment worse.
I don't think things like this go away forever, then.
But they can resurface in the lives of those who have them.
It hasn't yet been proven to be genetic.
While some conditions, such as Tourette Syndrome, are genetically proven to be genetic, I'm going from memory to the genetics of SLRTK1 and SLRTK2.
In my opinion, it may be related to obsessive-compulsive disorder.
It carries an increased risk: those with first-degree relatives (parents, siblings) with OCD have a fourfold risk of developing it themselves.
Some additional genes have been identified that may be implicated in the disorder, such as those involved in the "striatum-thalamus-cortex" circuit and serotonin regulation.
Regarding schizotypal disorder, if the diagnosis raises doubts, you can request a different one. Just to get a clear picture and try something to treat it.
Taking care of it doesn't mean you're cured; prolapse has a noble value, taking care of a person.
There are only a few therapies; they would scare me a little, like the pharmacological antipsychotic.
There are many other medications if doctors can suggest them.
If it's very pervasive, you can try psychotherapy.
CBT, if you understand it.
It never helped me: neuropsychology and psychiatry were of interest to me.
So I was banking heavily on psychotherapy.
Nothing worked for me: the disorders are different, the comorbid ones.
But therapy, in your case, could perhaps help...(?)
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Appealing is stressful: I had a way to win it easily, but I gave up.
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Advice: if you want to appeal, you need new certifications.
The doctors will tell you first if it's appropriate. From what you describe, perhaps it is.
I don't think it's appropriate to reduce the percentages. If you propose certifications and you can't work or socialize, I think it's legitimate for you to ask the state where you live for help.
It's not easy to get these things here either.
Besides, it's an extremely long and tortuous process.
We have two different medical evaluation committees.
A health commission and one that also uses doctors but from the pension institute.
Then, in the event of a request for a review, a specialized doctor, a court expert, and a social security expert intervene.
I don't feel like it in my case.
I could get the right amount: 100%.
Get a certification that you can't work because that's your situation.
Then living on four bucks isn't a good idea.
And in any case, my state of mind is absent in these matters. I find it disheartening.
I translated from Polish, unfortunately I don't speak the language!
But I understood exactly what you wrote (Moderate).
I think, with economic help, you could try first asking for a diagnosis privately, then asking for a public one, suggesting to the doctor his colleague's diagnosis and the other diagnoses.
The feeling is that you're worried about the future because they wrote that the decision is temporary.
In the meantime, in addition to getting treatment, you need to get confirmation of the seriousness of your case.
I think you'd never write about it if it weren't important.
You write in a calm, linear manner.
And you do it much better than me.
I'm calm too, one of the things I notice can annoy people.
The lack of emotional reaction; I don't understand emotions.
I feel them, but I don't understand them.
I don't possess theory of mind, which is what influenced my diagnosis. Working is nice for me, I'm good at it, but being there and constantly going there makes me uncomfortable.
Just to go out, I take a drug 20 times stronger than Valium.
It helps me mitigate the autistic sensations and seemingly tolerate social interactions and sensory discomfort.
But then I notice these afterwards, and they're devastating.
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From above cocerning Huckleberrys writing from several posts above:
Brilliant elucidation of current beliefs on development or lack of development of individuals on the Spectrum and other potentially associated neurodiverse. ( so called disorders.) .Thank You . It might be of consequence to consider that often ,People whom have had various brain damaged conditions . The brain ,with some effort or time . Can rewrite past neural deficits
in the brain . .Which I have observed 1 st hand in Head Trauma recovery centers . On some extremely massive scales
that I was not able to comphrend ,but saw the results. With earnest rehabilitation efforts by staff at Rancho Los Amigos,head trauma inpatient rehab center. Watched a hemisphere-ectomy , then eitnessed a non verbal accident victim become verbal again in three months after his surgery .And this may not directly relate to function deficits in a genetic abnormality for abilities for the actual function development of tendrils or neurites , if in fact, that is actually influenced by genetic abnormalities.
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Often I might wonder if this is a direct cause and effect.On account of the brain also managing autonomic nervous system functions ,apetite , breathing , resperation/presperation. And these functions do not normally appear to have serious deficits in function often . So apparently the effects of Autism appear regionally specific in the brain processing/ abilities that develop, So , this is why Am stressing the concepts of methods of teaching to engage learning abilities
particular to the given individual, As with any learning new neural sequences( wiring) have to form grow and be reinforced. To grow connections and strengthen them. And appear to have learned/ gained abilities . If only methodology of instruction is fitting to the learning capabilities. IMHO
It is very interesting about the research with seniors gaining function in As parts of their brains become impaired with lesions in specific areas of the brain. Thank you
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Brilliant elucidation of current beliefs on development or lack of development of individuals on the Spectrum and other potentially associated neurodiverse. ( so called disorders.) .Thank You . It might be of consequence to consider that often ,People whom have had various brain damaged conditions . The brain ,with some effort or time . Can rewrite past neural deficits
in the brain . .Which I have observed 1 st hand in Head Trauma recovery centers . On some extremely massive scales
that I was not able to comphrend ,but saw the results. With earnest rehabilitation efforts by staff at Rancho Los Amigos,head trauma inpatient rehab center. Watched a hemisphere-ectomy , then eitnessed a non verbal accident victim become verbal again in three months after his surgery .And this may not directly relate to function deficits in a genetic abnormality for abilities for the actual function development of tendrils or neurites , if in fact, that is actually influenced by genetic abnormalities.
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Often I might wonder if this is a direct cause and effect.On account of the brain also managing autonomic nervous system functions ,apetite , breathing , resperation/presperation. And these functions do not normally appear to have serious deficits in function often . So apparently the effects of Autism appear regionally specific in the brain processing/ abilities that develop, So , this is why Am stressing the concepts of methods of teaching to engage learning abilities
particular to the given individual, As with any learning new neural sequences( wiring) have to form grow and be reinforced. To grow connections and strengthen them. And appear to have learned/ gained abilities . If only methodology of instruction is fitting to the learning capabilities. IMHO
It is very interesting about the research with seniors gaining function in As parts of their brains become impaired with lesions in specific areas of the brain. Thank you
I have to apologize, Jakki, and you know why.
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Now I'm exhausted because I've been sleeping very little for many nights. Last night I went to bed at 6:00 AM and woke up two hours later.
And I certainly don't rest in the afternoon; it happens to us when you're really sick.
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You've raised your level.
I know you can do it for me, it's certainly nothing new to me.
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I can't raise my level here in the thread as much as I'd like.
It's still quite low.
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So I had studied neurology for two years, but I couldn't sleep at night: my mother had been misdiagnosed.
And I was trying to resolve the situation temporarily. We know that dementia has a variable history, and her Lewy Body Syndrome had been misdiagnosed.
So I kept calm, especially with her (always), and during the day I helped her and at night I delved into challenging studies (also because they are internationally lacking anywhere in the world).
Then I salted two ineffective centers, until I traveled and found a valid one.
Which confirmed my intuitions.
In fact, she went from an inert person to a functioning person.
The parallel is only iconographic with The Awakening (De Noro and the gigantic actor Robin Williams).
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Then beyond the fifth stage of the disease, one dies.
The thing that I regret is that for years I focused on my father while studying another medical specialty.
The damage to the arteries is due to both genetics (although I try to do things differently than he does).
Cholesterol in his genetic makeup accumulates regardless of his diet because the body processes it even from foods that lack it.
Overall, I calculate that without me, he would have died of other causes, including other causes, about 18 years earlier.
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I apologize for the poor quality of the post.
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I also got the idea that brain areas don't work as they say.
But due to distance, brain areas affected by ischemic strokes and strokes never die.
Not even in the absence of blood flow.
And there is a subtle mechanism between distant areas, as occurs in the archaic system we use for Wi-Fi.
There are systems 10,000 times faster.
(Li-Fi for example)
Using a non-vertical way of thinking, one can reason differently than specialists do.
There are parallels, such as the skin effect in electronics (which I studied in school).
Why not happen in an organ that must always function?
In my opinion, it can bypass entire brain areas, and it can.
Converging on perfused and functional areas.
In short, I would also discount certainties that perhaps we haven't fully, or even partially, outlined.
I'll stop for now and then I'll get back to the topic.
Not on this specifically.
Thanks
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We're writing about a published study.
Okay: regarding the diagnosis and how it's made, the problem is the genetic part.
By genetics, I don't mean heredity, but they are two different concepts.
But if in an autistic individual, the distinction between purely genetic causes in that specific case and other causes as well is the part of the discussion that doesn't make sense to me at all.
I've written about it, but perhaps the post is too long, I understand.
Prenatal: an unborn child is already autistic, I mean exactly that.
It's not that they will later become autistic: that's what I mean.
Among other things, a US president (Bill Clinton) welcomed the idea of Nobel Prize winner Renato Dulbecco, who asked who could fund genomics studies.
He asked in 1995, and Clinton, I believe, welcomed this idea in 2001, with a contribution of $100 million.
Previously, genetics was studied gene by gene, but not as a whole.
His idea is not a given because before this request, accepted by a few states, including the then very democratic USA, it marked a decisive moment for the history of humanity as a whole and for its future.
Is autism special?: we haven't yet clearly defined it, of course it is special, many other things are, but let's be clear.
You write about what happens after, okay.
But after.
I mean before.
Not about the diagnosis.
But about the precise etiology: if they say it is also behavioral, I think of two things:
1) Yes, it is because it is diagnosed after the year 1.5/2 years, and it's serious that we do it later.
Afterward, we create dysfunctions that we could avoid in people; we're harming them, but we could be doing some good instead.
We could also evaluate before conception: there are specific methods.
We could apply the genetic studies that already demonstrate this.
That is, during gestation. To then understand how best to act immediately and not at 5/10/20/30/40/50/60/70/80 years of age, and even later if the person is still alive.
The difference is that if the cause is only genetic, we can change how to intervene immediately and not in adulthood.
The concept doesn't get across: afterward it's too late, but why should we think we should intervene later?
A) Medical sadism
B) Unknown hypothesis
If something can be done, why don't we do it?
I understand in the third world where putting together a meal a day is very difficult.
Some people are still dying of hunger as I write this.
But in our Western countries and elsewhere: we can finally do things right without waiting for the aftermath. The aftermath is a disaster for some—I'm thinking of the very serious—but also for the serious, moderately serious, that is, anyone with autism.
If we see a person bleeding to death, we work to help them immediately. We don't wait for their cells to reorganize through cellular plasticity; we do it right away.
If we find a child alone in the cold and prevent him from dying of hypothermia, he's terribly ill, we call for help immediately.
On the other hand, we do nothing except wallow in the thought: that person can be helped later, because the years (years) pass and we (as doctors) don't care about research on the aftermath. We emphasize what already exists, if anything.
Because genetics is clear, and if we don't all know what some genes are and they duplicate in the meantime, that while happens before birth.
Of course, by not doing anything and waiting for The Wonderful Wizard of Oz to arrive, a behavior is neuroplasticized and it turns into damage!
A healthy birth in an autistic birth, under ideal conditions, will still be an autistic birth sooner, not later.
The lack of understanding of this aspect leaves me perplexed.
Regarding illnesses, some are clearly genetic and some are hereditary, which is why tests are done before bringing a child into the world unless one is completely unaware of the whole thing.
Mental illness can be genetic.
But that doesn't mean it's hereditary.
If a woman has four children, they can be perfectly healthy and have nothing, or at least have a very high percentage of them having it; it's not a 1=1 concept.
;a 1 very possible, if anything.
1 autistic.
I mean.
If we then intervene around the age of a year and a half, we obtain enormous results. Doctors are able to discern the recommendations of their pediatrician colleagues according to guidelines, not the obvious fears of parents who find themselves with children who will inevitably live poorly or not at all in this society that will be alien to them.
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I know with me, my Asperger's (with all the usual traits) comes with OCD and perhaps some ADD. My OCD is more the type where I have to check things (like locked doors) multiple times and count things to make sure they are still where I left them. I feel the urge to do things the same way each time. I often feel like if I stare at something once, I need to stare at it a second time.
Though my attention span used to be longer, I feel like anymore it is hard to to focus on something that is not interesting to me for a given length of time. I tend to want to focus on my interests instead -- writing, house plans, roller coasters, music, etc.
I know some of us on the spectrum can have trouble recognizing faces, especially if that person is not seen in the same capacity as we typically associate them with. For example, if were to see the local librarian at a ball game, I might have trouble determining who it is because they are out of the environment I usually see them in.
As far as genetics go, I have always had this feeling about it. I feel like most of us on the spectrum have the gene, passed down through our family ancestry, but it may take something to turn that gene on to activate the autism. For me, I had oxygen deprivation at birth and had to be delivered by C-section. That could have been the incident that turned my autism gene on.
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Welcome.
You write, and I seem to see myself in so many of what you write.
OCD: now I do the same thing, doorstep!
Keep in mind that I overcame a very severe OCD at the age of 16.
Maybe I was clever. I certainly succeeded because my mind could. I'm writing this because it's a disorder that's not easy to resolve, even with medication, even with multiple medications at once.
Psychiatry was my subject.
Try this: multiply the actions you perform by the square of the mathematical square of these actions.
At 16, it was so intense that I spent hours doing pointless things.
Then I figured out how to overcame it without medication.
I like studying them,
but don't take them. Until I was 20, I didn't even take an aspirin; I had neuralgia for three days.
OCDs are like in the summation phase. The human mind, and not just the human mind, to be honest, makes them practicable.
Because they are inherently summed; if you add, you can repeat the action multiple times; that's the mechanism.
So I thought: what if I multiplied them instead?
Usually, those with a mathematical and musical mind have a propensity for this.
But with a mathematical mind, you can come up with one or more solutions for every problem.
I wondered: what if I put a system bug in my OCD? What would happen?
Done!
I worked on this for weeks.
Until I dismantled it.
Because it kept coming back.
Multiply it by itself and then by itself again, like a musical note without interruption.
I don't know if age favored me; some brain areas stabilize after 16, or maybe the amygdala hadn't grown in size yet.
It plays a crucial role in processing threatening stimuli, consolidating emotional memories, and triggering behavioral and physiological reactions associated with these emotions.
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I love music.
I've worked on writing and blueprints.
I've never been on a roller coaster!
Even as a child, I had a strange passion for small roller coasters called Apple Caterpillars ![]()
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"I know some of us on the spectrum may have difficulty recognizing faces, especially if that person isn't seen in the same light we normally associate with them. For example, if I saw the local librarian at a baseball game, I might have trouble recognizing who he is because he's outside the environment I usually see him in."
The exact same thing happens to me!
And I'm not prosopagnosic, but I have a slight delay in recognizing faces, even 2 seconds.
I recognize my neighbors by their license plates, or by their dogs!
I look at the dogs first, then them, and then say hello so I don't make a mistake!
Sometimes I don't say hello to anyone, partly because I'm busy thinking about other things.
People get offended if I don't say hello.
I don't do it on purpose.
I'm very kind to people.
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The lack of oxygen caused my brother's 100% disability.
Maybe you were in the breech position?
Not born prematurely, I think.
That's a serious problem.
A cesarean is the routine birth in Italy.
Don't worry. Unfortunately, it's devastating for mothers, but hopefully an epidural was used.
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I didn't write about it to avoid complicating matters, but there's more than one gene.
The point is that they're present prenatally.
Those are inherited, then they mutate in autism.
But they don't mutate after birth, they mutate before birth.
I'm writing here because scientific research and genetic studies are along these lines.
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Imagine a sound: do we create it or reproduce it?
Does it already exist in instruments?
But also in humans.
And not only can some dogs exhibit behaviors similar to those associated with autism, although the formal diagnosis is unofficial and is sometimes called Canine Dysfunctional Behavior (CDB). These dogs may exhibit repetitive behaviors such as tail chasing, hypersensitivity to sounds and light, anxiety about change, and difficulty with social interaction, manifesting, for example, a lack of eye contact and poor physical interaction. The cause is unknown, but it is believed to have a genetic basis.
Here, they would answer that they learn them through imprinting: Pavlovian!
Or by learning from their parents...
The strange thing is that we are deficient precisely in copying behaviors. Let's see if an autistic child does the same things as a neuritypical?
Let's try making a phone call near a NT child and doing the same thing with an autistic one.
The atic one won't copy it. While the neurotypical one will...
But also pointing if he wants something: I never did that.
Usually children point to what they want...
how they look: they don't follow you with their gaze, very laterally; there are patents in use now for eye tracking.
A doctor of mine who also published in Nature and other international journals has a patent on this.
At the first visit, observe how he directs himself.
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His gaze. Mine immediately caught his attention.
He kept me in for two hours during the first visit, and only told me at the end.
Then I went through the various evaluation steps. Then, countless written tests, always in front of at least two researchers.
Many here write about being afraid of not being autistic and pretending to be. But with one or more diagnoses from specialists, it's impossible.
If anything, we ourselves are skeptical first: it took so many diagnoses from DSM4 and DSM5 and two ICDs, and then, after so much objective evidence, I wrote about it.
Before this, I didn't even write about it.
Consider that at least 60 of family members are autistic: if genetics isn't 100% the cause...
I understand that autistic people, especially, tend to think that if something is written in textbooks like the DSM, it's 100% valid.
But they update the DSM every so many years, there must be a reason why!
It means it's imprecise.
The last one puzzles me.
Post-publication research diverges from the nosography of levels and even subcategories.
Sorry for the long post. It bothers many.
I'm sorry: I understand.
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Well I have autism and also a benign(so far) genetic mutation, I only say so far because the doctors who've looked at it haven't seen an exact case of it before...so they don't know if it would effect me more as I age as I'm the only one they know of that has it.
But idk if I have another genetic mutation, what is to say my autism wasn't also a genetic mutation. Perhaps autism doesn't just have one cause, but we can be sure Tylenol is not what causes it...like sure take away abortion rights, close down rural hospitals and don't even let pregnant woman have a Tylenol. That'll really give it to autism...!
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To Huckleberry Finn on post:
"The lack of oxygen caused my brother's 100% disability.
Maybe you were in the breech position?
Not born prematurely, I think.
That's a serious problem." Quoted post from Huckleberry Finn
I got tangled up in the cord while in the womb. My mother recalled the medical staff stating something wrong and that the baby's heartbeat is getting weak. The doctor rushed in, his medical case sliding across the room. They tilted the table downward so my mother was angled down on her head. She got the old fashioned kind of anesthesia and an emergency C-section was performed. I spent a little bit of time in an incubator. When my mother came out of anesthesia she thought I was a goner.
Researchers have studied how events during or shortly after birth may affect a child’s brain development. While no single factor causes autism, some evidence suggests that birth complications could increase the risk, particularly in babies showing signs of distress (like oxygen deprivation). (This is from the Birth Injury Justice Center taken from medical research.)
Oxygen deprivation during birth, known as hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy (HIE), is a serious birth injury that can cause lasting neurological damage. This occurs when a baby does not receive enough oxygen before, during, or shortly after delivery.
When the brain is deprived of oxygen, critical functions such as cognitive ability, sensory processing, and communication may be affected, areas often linked to autism.
Research suggests that babies who experience oxygen deprivation at birth have a higher risk of developing autism-like symptoms later in life.
While some cases of HIE are unavoidable, others occur due to medical negligence, such as failing to detect fetal distress, delaying a necessary C-section, or mismanaging umbilical cord complications.
This is quoted from Beam Legal Team taken from medical research.
I dislike the term "damage" when it is connected to something that I consider a gift. While many with autism are negatively affected by it, I have mostly enjoyed it. I enjoy the special intense interests. I find it cozy to be alone doing my own thing. I was an only child, and I preferred it that way. I had some close friends, but I didn't have to live with them. The "damage" referencing I am aiming at here is not with anyone here on this forum, but with groups like Autism Speaks and the general consensus of people out in the world who don't understand autism and what it is.
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Sorry, this is a sensitive topic.
I'm sorry I reminded you of unpleasant events.
My brother suffered a serious injury.
I think he also got caught in the umbilical cord, but his siblings.
One of his words struck me: there were three of us.
In fact, my mother had nightmares the night she said, "Don't take my children away from me."
So perhaps it was an innate memory, or, as logically, dictated by my mother's stories.
He's NT, and even though he has a WAIS-measured IQ of 63, he usually answered TV quiz shows correctly.
A famous one was "The Millionaire."
Several times he got the right answer before me.
Once, he won that theoretical million because he answered every question on the quiz correctly.
A few hours ago, I asked him if he remembered any names and people I remembered very well from his childhood; he's six years older than me.
But my memory goes back a year and a few months.
I don't use any techniques.
I was struck by how much worse he's gotten.
He doesn't remember anything.
But about many other things.
As if life had simply passed through him, brushed past him.
I think his brain volume is shrinking.
I watch him carefully when I ask him things.
My mother died of Lewy body dementia.
I also studied neurology: I had sleepless nights studying a lot.
His diagnosis was wrong initially.
He changed neurology centers three times.
Until he found the right one.
She relived it like in The Awakenings (De Niro-Robin Williams, Oliver Sachs film)
Then in short it has 5 stages.
At the fifth, you die.
The discussion here would be very extensive.
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So yes, a friend's son was born prematurely: initially they thought he would die.
Then he was put in an incubator.
Then he was very strange in his movements, speech, actions, thoughts...
Now almost 2 meters tall, he does things that few of us could do, he paints very well, he plays very well.
But he speaks very little: almost like a verbal no.
It has had an impact on him, who is autistic.
Thanks to his mother, he has made enormous progress.
His non-competitive IQ is 102.
But he is disabled: his mother has to help him with everything for his social life.
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Yes, Glider, the lack of oxygen causes serious damage to a child.
In your case, it seems to me that you've brilliantly overcome any potential damage, from the way you describe and reason, and what you do in life is mentally above normal, compared to people born in optimal conditions.
Autism: I know it's present in us from an early age, before birth, but the conditions you described can certainly worsen the situation; what you write makes sense.
Published research doesn't mean it's accurate—that is, it clearly increases the risk of brain damage—but it does mean that autism is already present in us. I used to be passionate about reading all the research, even on autism; I read everything published since the early 2000s.
The important sites are different.
We know nothing about some: the Chinese ones, for example, only let through what they want because it's not very relevant, while they keep what's relevant to themselves.
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Sorry because by expressing my thoughts on this, I indirectly wrote something that may have been annoying because you, your parents included, experienced it as a trauma.
Sometimes it would be better not to reiterate concepts that are not to be waived, to increase sensitivity towards those who might be bothered by them.
I'm sorry if that's the case.
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I'll read the research you mentioned anyway.
Dono: You're special because you always think positively ![]()
I tend to think coldly, as if logic always prevails over emotions.
I don't think that's a good thing from a human perspective.
Whereas you clearly express a positive bias, always, even when the topic changes.
You're very good at emotional communication, I can tell, because I'm not.
Sometimes I seem cold to others.
You know, some tennis players who weren't and aren't icy—Borg, Sinner, Lendl...sorry for the comparison, but a quote from Lendl struck me months ago: "Everyone thought I was a robot, but no one ever tried to have a real conversation with me."
He was human when Sinner (robot
) lost one of his tennis finals.
He comforted him.
In theory: two pieces of ice who understood each other.
Sometimes I imagine them autistic, though not at a very high level, let's say.
Being outside the box doesn't bring much sympathy, even in sports.
A little autistic isn't worth using here, but outside the box is.
I like people who are loyal, honest, and who never deviate from their proper behavior.
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Maybe it depends on how we mentally reprocess past experiences.
That is: how we are internally.
Yet I know I'm not bad at this.
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I'm replying to your post about walking past people at a sporting event (I think that's what you wrote).
And they look at you in a different way.
It happened to me too today. I'm not sure what they were thinking.
But the temptation to stop and ask them was intense.
I gave up because I didn't know what reaction it would provoke in them.
I tend not to be afraid even when there are many or potentially dangerous people.
This is something I'll pay for sooner or later, I think!
I think the others were looking at you because your facial expressions weren't consistent with what they were thinking.
That is: devoid of empathy.
Which is something you're a millionaire at compared to me! ![]()
You're also atypical compared to the average instinctive sympathy here.
I don't know about myself: who knows!
In real life, I generally seem nice, they tell me.
But not to everyone.
*I think that instead of trying to get bogged down in dialogue, a short, precise, and cutting ironic or sarcastic quip is more appropriate.
Normal people don't like to talk about anything but trivial things.
Argh!
HF
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Things end, but memories last forever.
Huck Finn
Nothing about my birth experiences or growing up with Apserger's leaves any bad or ill feelings for me. I have always embraced and enjoyed my differences. I have often called Asperger's my best friend. I enjoy it. It is who I am.
As for being positive all the time ... hee hee.
I've actually been ranting tonight on Wrongplanet on different forums. If you read those, you might see me a little differently on certain areas.
Thank you for your post. As always ... most informative.
Tonight I am stressed out due to the family television with the same Sherlock TV show on all day. Yuck! I don't like modern things -- TV, movies, and music included.
Good to hear from you again. We'll keep in touch.
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"My journey has just begun."
I appreciate differences too!
I always forgive other people. When an older person passes away, we lose all their history, their knowledge. Some have immense knowledge, and behaviors that I like and can only dream of.
But also cultural differences: even those that stress me out because they're too emotional, like the Brazilian one compared to ours, which is much more staid.
I used to read a lot of ethical comics about both Brazil and the US (from many decades ago):
Here, if you go out and wander around, you only hear foreign languages being spoken.
You know, when we had colonies in Africa, people were also brought to our cities. The first time my fellow citizens saw a dark-skinned person, I don't know how to define it without using the wrong racial or ethnic terms—sorry, if that's the case... people knew and locked themselves in their homes.
Now it's normal for it to happen, and it's our wealth, but ethnic groups also come from other countries, including Eastern Europe. We integrate some, and others we don't; we leave them on the social margins.
We're also stupid because we don't understand many things.
We feel invaded.
But there are two stages: first, chaos when maybe 30,000 Albanians arrive, then the aftermath when those people have been with us for at least one or two generations; they're like us!
By the way, many regions are a mix of Austrian, Norman, and Slavic.
Here, where they are now, they have French in their dialect.
Some speak with their own mannerisms.
French is perhaps the language I appreciate most in the world.
German reminds me too much of my region and sounds bad, harsh.
French, on the other hand, sounds good.
Like English, in Tuscany and Veneto, it's very popular with UK and US citizens.
Ehm!
Asperger's syndrome in my case was and is a bit of a disaster.
But honestly, I'd never want to change who I am. I wouldn't fit in with a neurotypical!
Connected and disconnected/connected!
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Sherlock Holmes was a wonderful English TV series, but I don't remember which one. We used to air many British series, including Doctor Who and, I think, all the others (you can still find them on specialty channels).
I loved Sherlock Holmes: I think he's emblematic of Asperger's.
I don't like all the series made about him, though.
The Swedish series!
The German ones!
And the French ones.
Now it doesn't come from those countries much.
From yours, however, often!
The Japanese ones made Japan known.
Most Italians adore that country.
The differences are essential.
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I read your replies, and you continue to inspire me with positivity and enthusiasm.
Hey, you're quicker than me at posting!
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I'm also happy to see you're here.
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Things end, but memories last forever.
Huck Finn
So , will hope this post is being in line with the topic.But have done a bit of research on Autism , and also Lyme disease.
Allow me to share a Dr Shoemakers theory and a Psyche doc, I interacted with online over 20 years ago . And a interesting and unique commonality they had dscovered in their testing for their respective patients as well as a Dr Yang of Southern Calif. Whom I worked with and was treated by , And my intention is not to conflate illnesses/ disorders .
And these seperate and not known to each other made some observations to me concerning these two seperate disorders .
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In blood testing consistently it seemed they all had discovered through specific blood testing. That common pathogen was detected ,sometimes more than one. A known bacteria Borrelia Burgdorphi . 1 st identified by Dr.William Burgdophi
It is a direct relative to the Syphillus bacteria .It has a checkered history ,in history.Ocassionally it was accompanied by Strains of Bartonella and Basbesia(relative to malaria) , All three disabling by themselves. And all very opportunistic in the human organism
Seems according to what I have read. Generally a Healthy human immune system seems to keep them in check.
But if there is a insult to the immune system thhat overwelms it. Especially if a prolonged situation. These bacterias
become less dormant . And they can overwelm the immune system. In some cases a long protracted illness, even death
can occur .( personal experience). The spirochete one, Borrelia, is able to cross the blood brain barrier . Like Syphillus can cause big changes in a person overall .Occassionally it has been found than this Spirochete can cross the through the umbilical cord during conception. You might come to your own conclusions ,about how that could possibly relate to neuro developmental disorders . Of all sorts.
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None of this is controversial. They all have been documented,All three Bacteria each respond to a different type of Antibiotic . The curious thing is if they are not addressed simutaneously and the bacterial loading remains high in the bloodstream. It becomes much more difficult to disable the other two .
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Medical Establishment: These three bacteria and their resulting interaction with each other , at different loadings in the bloodstream cause a variety of Symptoms. Of other seemingly different disorders . It is not in the interest of the medical community to have the symptoms of the varying disorders , many medical practices specialize in ,get resolved by the remediation of the bacterias in the Bloodstream. And The laboratories that test blood for these things are not equipped to get good or solid results. Regarding the bacterial levels in anyones blood test. Except for a very few.
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Consequently ,noone can get a proper diagnosis, And the Doctors and specialists go one treating the symptoms of the side effects of the varying bacterial levels of these parasitic bacteria in the blood . And the popular concensus is that these bacteria do not exist of the leveks are irrevolent.
Unless you spend 1000.00 USD out of pocket to have a specialty labratory. That is familiar, with the life cycle of these bacteria . To analyse your blood, that cannot be more than 3 days old. And packed in ice for transport. Due to the fact that the bacteria cannot live outside of a living host for more than the above mentioned time frame.
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This is not conjecture, but based on personal experience with other researchers. Owners of Labratories and a variety of MDs and Phds. over 20 + years.
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SORRY FOR THE WALL OF TEXT. but if it were broken down, the disparate information would not be conclusive.
In order to orotect myself , I must include a medical disclaimer:Check with your own physician before making any decisions based on these writings
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Diagnosed hfa
Loves velcro,
Please consider older aged parents or parent that have been through medical situations or traumas may qualify as having weakened immune systems at the time of any particular given persons birth. btw.
Be As Well As You Can .
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Diagnosed hfa
Loves velcro,
Allow me to share a Dr Shoemakers theory and a Psyche doc, I interacted with online over 20 years ago . And a interesting and unique commonality they had dscovered in their testing for their respective patients as well as a Dr Yang of Southern Calif. Whom I worked with and was treated by , And my intention is not to conflate illnesses/ disorders .
And these seperate and not known to each other made some observations to me concerning these two seperate disorders .
§
In blood testing consistently it seemed they all had discovered through specific blood testing. That common pathogen was detected ,sometimes more than one. A known bacteria Borrelia Burgdorphi . 1 st identified by Dr.William Burgdophi
It is a direct relative to the Syphillus bacteria .It has a checkered history ,in history.Ocassionally it was accompanied by Strains of Bartonella and Basbesia(relative to malaria) , All three disabling by themselves. And all very opportunistic in the human organism
Seems according to what I have read. Generally a Healthy human immune system seems to keep them in check.
But if there is a insult to the immune system thhat overwelms it. Especially if a prolonged situation. These bacterias
become less dormant . And they can overwelm the immune system. In some cases a long protracted illness, even death
can occur .( personal experience). The spirochete one, Borrelia, is able to cross the blood brain barrier . Like Syphillus can cause big changes in a person overall .Occassionally it has been found than this Spirochete can cross the through the umbilical cord during conception. You might come to your own conclusions ,about how that could possibly relate to neuro developmental disorders . Of all sorts.
§
None of this is controversial. They all have been documented,All three Bacteria each respond to a different type of Antibiotic . The curious thing is if they are not addressed simutaneously and the bacterial loading remains high in the bloodstream. It becomes much more difficult to disable the other two .
§
Medical Establishment: These three bacteria and their resulting interaction with each other , at different loadings in the bloodstream cause a variety of Symptoms. Of other seemingly different disorders . It is not in the interest of the medical community to have the symptoms of the varying disorders , many medical practices specialize in ,get resolved by the remediation of the bacterias in the Bloodstream. And The laboratories that test blood for these things are not equipped to get good or solid results. Regarding the bacterial levels in anyones blood test. Except for a very few.
§
Consequently ,noone can get a proper diagnosis, And the Doctors and specialists go one treating the symptoms of the side effects of the varying bacterial levels of these parasitic bacteria in the blood . And the popular concensus is that these bacteria do not exist of the leveks are irrevolent.
Unless you spend 1000.00 USD out of pocket to have a specialty labratory. That is familiar, with the life cycle of these bacteria . To analyse your blood, that cannot be more than 3 days old. And packed in ice for transport. Due to the fact that the bacteria cannot live outside of a living host for more than the above mentioned time frame.
§
This is not conjecture, but based on personal experience with other researchers. Owners of Labratories and a variety of MDs and Phds. over 20 + years.
§
SORRY FOR THE WALL OF TEXT. but if it were broken down, the disparate information would not be conclusive.
In order to orotect myself , I must include a medical disclaimer:Check with your own physician before making any decisions based on these writings
Yes: it's a problem I also have, being in I.Topic on the topic.
But it's the opening study that I disagree with.
I've already written the rest on the subject, I could add more I know.
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Let's start from the fact that we're writing in perfect good faith, and even in a climate of very relaxed discussions.
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It's not my goal to convince anyone, but to make them reflect on something the scientific community takes for granted.
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A problem that has always occurred in scientific research, even when objections to the immutable state of facts, or to theories aligned with them. Strangely, they always support them. But sometimes there are intrinsic motivations in research: to implement a strategy so that the role of researchers prevails over the role of the potential search for reality in things.
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In psychology, there's also a presupposition like: "Why change established guidelines rather than not change them at all, but rather validate them?"
The answer is clear: because thinking things differently from those established as certain requires mental work.
Mental work requires effort.
It's better not to experience effort.
The human mind goes through steps of this type.
They're like circular paths, and they don't lead to change; everything remains immutable.
Science is the opposite of this proposition: change by finding new paths and ideas.
To do this, you have to work on yourself.
And it requires an open mind to the new.
This rarely happens: it's called mental laziness.
The group prevails over the researcher or researchers by directing them down already-trodden paths, while there are others that are viable.
A problem that many highly respected scientists have faced.
Even future Nobel Prize winners: Marshall and Warren isolated Helicobacter pylori, a bacterium which, contrary to medical belief at the time, could not thrive in the acidic environment of the stomach.
Proof: Later, they demonstrated that this bacterium is the main cause of peptic ulcers and gastritis, dismantling the idea that stress and acid were the only causes.
The Helicobacter pylori theory was ridiculed by the scientific establishment, which didn't believe bacteria could live in an acidic environment like that of the stomach. To force people to believe his theory, Marshall drank a Petri dish of bacteria, almost immediately falling ill with gastritis. The symptoms disappeared after two weeks, but Marshall continued to take antibiotics to kill the remaining bacteria at his wife's request, since bad breath is one of the symptoms of the infection.
Thanks to them, I'm fine.
Without their tenacity, perhaps I wouldn't be here to tell this story.
But yes: why think if everything is so already postulated and unassailable?
But maybe it's not quite like that. unassailable, we just have to work on it.
The point is that genomic and specific knowledge is not lacking.
It already exists before birth...
It doesn't happen afterward.
It would be like saying that a tornado didn't exist because we only saw destruction. So, is the problem the destruction or the fact that the tornado wasn't mentioned?
Then we work on the destruction: that's the cause, but the effect.
Of course, this is an absurd example, since a tornado is perceived beforehand and is clearly evident, and in any case, we're not in the Stone Age and we can trace it very well beforehand.
We can do the exact same thing before birth.
But...we don't do it.
We wait.
Okay, we wait years.
One would be enough.
After that, it becomes much, much more complicated for people.
Until it becomes behavioral in a mix of genetic and behavioral (even if the genetic causes are published), the culprits are interesting.
The Father...mother even the refrigerator, they said, vaccines (terrible vaccines: vaccines save human lives if anything, but mercury... confusing it with demonized preservatives, clearly baseless theories, those on vaccines).
After denialism, we must hopefully treat autistic children by helping them.
First: it's the mothers who are paranoid.
After evidence, we change our thinking and it's therapies.
But what if we had thought about it a little earlier?
We see adults or almost adults whose brain structure and trauma change, and other non-autistic problems that are associated with them, even latent.
Sleeping first.
We devastate people's lives: after all, it's their existence, not ours (maybe they think so).
We see continuous changes in manuals, now even including the infamous autism spectrum disorder.
Then they are changed in another DSM and subsequent ICD.
They are trivialized into 1, 2, and 3.
Here are the games.
What will be drawn today on the twenty-year-old wheel?
On the thirty-year-old wheel?
On the forty-year-old wheel?
And so on.
Meanwhile, applicative nullism is destroying your existence.
Depending on the severity of the case.
Low expression:You're getting away with it!
Moderate and serious: not that easy.
Very serious: parents are taking on a child who, you know, had he been treated before, perhaps had a well-integrated life.
Now he's disabled like the sons of many of my cousins.
Obviously, genetics has nothing to do with it, right?
Or: let's see if that's really the case?
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Regarding Lyme disease.
(I'm sorry about your case, as you know) Your ideas are always interesting.
Here, Jakki's levels rise significantly, but my levels are mediocre in this thread, and perhaps not only here. At least, I can't communicate as well as I would like/could. I'm also not providing bibliographical and genomic references, and genomic tests that are perhaps now within the reach of human beings.
After President Clinton took charge, dedicating millions of dollars to various scientific studies that will benefit humanity, even though Bill Clinton is often remembered for something else, he was an excellent president: you can't be that in everything; it's human!
The bacterium you describe is Borrelia burgdorferi and is susceptible to a number of antibiotics; there are highly contradictory reports on the efficacy of antibiotics in vivo. B. burgdorferi can persist in humans and animals for months or years despite a powerful immune response and standard antibiotic treatment, particularly when therapy is delayed and dissemination is extensive. Numerous studies have demonstrated the persistence of the infection even after intense, prolonged, and potent antibiotic therapy.
It proliferates very slowly compared to other forms. It's the magnitudes that change over many hours, not minutes, that make it difficult to treat with antibiotics alone. Because it can last up to 18 hours, not 15 minutes, the subdivisions are bypassed by antibiotics, and the enormous time changes become detrimental to the treatment itself. Antibiotics are most effective during the growth phase, which for B. burgdorferi occurs in four-week cycles. Some clinicians have observed that chronic Lyme disease patients often experience worsening symptoms every four weeks; it is suspected that these periodic flare-ups are due to the growth phase of B. burgdorferi. The protein OSp C is a foreign antigen in the body and can stimulate an immune response.
It blocks OSP A. Studies have demonstrated the persistence of the infection even after intense, prolonged, and powerful therapies: it resists in places of the body that are inaccessible to the immune system and antibiotics, such as the brain and central nervous system. New data suggest that B. burgdorferi can use the host's fibrinolytic system to penetrate the blood-brain barrier (as you wrote exactly!).
And it's its corkscrew structure that acts like a lever to penetrate many cells, even neurons and glia.
Glia, or neuroglia, define a heterogeneous group of non-neuronal cells that are part of the central nervous system (CNS) and peripheral nervous system (PNS).
It enters a chronic state.
What I wrote above hasn't happened: many of these scientific studies were conducted and published by doctors and researchers who were skeptical about the possibility of a persistent Borrelia infection.
So, let's say they weren't mentally lazy!
The genome is enormous compared to bacteria of its species (Eubacteria).
Besides antibiotics for many weeks, the answer is being studied on antiparasitics and chloroxychloroquine (I would be careful about this one, however, because it has many contraindications).
As you wrote, the posts in this thread are merely indicative and will never replace the work of medical specialists.
Some are unconventional ideas and reasoning, others conventional.
Any reference to the reality of the case studies in any area of the posts described above is purely indicative and coincidental. Any potential violation inherent in the aforementioned posts is excluded, exempting the authors from any legal or suggestive risk.
Ora pro nobis.
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Things end, but memories last forever.
Huck Finn
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