A form of genocide? I think so.

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I'd like to pose a question to those of you who think that destroying non-sentient machines is "genocide".

Are any of you vegetarians?

i am totally vegan... thanks to my G-Tube feeding liquid... it is all made inside of a laboratory

I am not vegetarian, I eat meat. However, I don't go out and uselessly slaughter animals.

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...I don't get it.

If you eat meat, you are still consuming the corpse of an animal which has been brutally murdered specifically so you can eat it, thus you are still supporting the slaughtering of animals. Even if you don't directly go out and kill the animal yourself, you're still participating in the most inhumane and irrational industry in the world, and no matter how much you try to rationalize this by saying you don't "uselessly slaughter animals", if you eat meat you're supporting the slaughter of said animals.

So basically what you're saying is is that it's perfectly okay to for someone to slaughter a living, breathing cow just so you can devour its flesh and wear its skin like a savage...but that destroying a rusty hunk of metal that cannot feel, think, or possess any sort of a "soul" is murder?


I'm not trying to be harsh, but I really don't understand how anyone can think that.

Blame my lack of empathy on my AS. Ha ha.

I agree and disagree... I agree on the meat part, i cant stand meat, when i found out where meat comes from when i turned 13 i think i was devistated by the videos i saw online of slaughtering process, it was completely inhumane... this industry is THE SH1TTIEST INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD AND I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT!! ! I have not eaten meat since then, i have a disease as of two years ago (14 years old) and as of this year i lost ability to eat all solid foods, so now i am totally tube fed with a ZERO ANIMAL BYPRODUCTS lab created liquid formula... beat that!

i disagree on the part that destroying the combine is murder, i consider it murder, but i do think that it is upsetting to many combine enthusiasts who have feelings for these giant metal "creatures" i know... people get attached to objects... hell, the IV pump at the hospital that i am always frequently visiting due to my condition i decided to name it "my little friend" and the patient monitor, its because when you spend so much time with things and your autistic you tend to become attached... especially my harness on my powerchair that i named strapple

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I can see how people get attached to inanimate objects that have personal value...as I've said, I love my guitar more than anything else and I'd be terribly sad if it were to get hurt in any way.

Still, I think that calling the destruction of these machines "genocide" is an extreme term to use.

english language does not have a word for this... like sartresue said... lets call it... machincide

As I mentioned in previous posts...

I DID NOT INTEND THIS TO BE A DEBATE THREAD. I was expressing my sadness. This is the Haven. It is not the religious debate board. I just needed to get this off my chest because it is causing me a great amount of depression and I needed to talk about it without being persecuted for my beliefs.

Dude.

Chill out.

Also, this has nothing to do with religion. I'm just posing the question of what makes a sentient being.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

And I wish you the best of luck with your combines.

i didnt intend to turn it into a debate or anything... sorry if i was responsible... i dont know if i was

but understand that i am to my straps like you are to your combines

I don't think it makes sense to argue about whether a combine has a soul the way we might argue about whether it has a gas or a diesel engine.

Some people perceive some things, others don't.

harvester52, in my perception, there's the life of the thing and my view of it, which aren't exactly the same. I hate seeing beauty destroyed, like seeing a forest turned into a field of stumps, or seeing a live animal turned into a dead one. Often there's a reason, sometimes there's a necessity, but still I hate to see it.

But I think there's something in the essential nature of life that transcends our opinions of it and even our actions toward it.

I shot a deer once. We ate the meat. Wolves do the same thing for the same reason, and wolves are living things that I admire. Somehow, in some sense, I don't believe the deer is actually dead. The life is long gone from the physical body, but I believe that life itself is so close to the essence of things that it cannot be destroyed.

I don't have a theology and I'm not looking for an argument. I'm capable of being rational when the situation calls for it, but I think it's a shallow and superficial approach to trying to understand anything that matters.

Sometimes I feel a kinship, a connection with the lives around me. I'm not sure I'm capable of harming them, anymore than I could harm the air by cutting it with a sword.

I believe there's something far greater than us, and those times when we experience love for its other manifestations are the times we understand that we too are a part of it.

This reminds me of the way that I've felt for the first 13 months, after the Routemasters were taken off the 159. I was posting about those wonderful buses, here because I've felt that this was the only place in the entire world that I could let my feelings be known. After all, obsessions are a part of having AS, right? I've eventually stopped doing that, because I no longer felt safe bearing my soul to the Internet world. I've been able to put a lid to it, or shut-up and put-up, for 15 months, now. In a perfect world, I can post about them, until the cows come home, and not be ostracized for it, even by my fellow aspies. I think that Routemasters have souls that are much more beautiful than those of any human. I didn't mean to annoy anybody. I've told you that I was over the demise of the Routemaster, because I've thought that was what everybody on WP wanted to hear from me. I've done a pretty good job, stuffing my feelings inside of my chest. What do you expect from a member who has the word, Cockney in their username?

Update:

I called JD66's owner yesterday and have a meeting with him today. He mentioned that he is willing to have me work at his junkyard to pay off the price, and he's also willing to work with me on payments and what-not. Hopefully this will work out.

-BC

Nothing has a soul , not even you.

You seem used to watch the Amazing little toaster a lot when you were kid.

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