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If the above is true, then I apologize for saying that the moderators are not doing their jobs correctly. One thing I believe is a problem is that no one knows what happens and if everyone is being handed out the same disciplinary actions as everyone else. I, for one would have no problem with people knowing that I was banned - I don't see what the big secret is, in fact, it is not a big secret because I see in some threads how people are told when a person is banned and how many strikes they have against them. There should be a place one can go to check on people's records and who has been banned and for how long so they know when they are coming back. I know when you report someone and want to be told the situation was handled, all they do is come back and let you know it was closed. The person who reported the incident should at least be told how the member was disciplined, in fact, the whole community should be aware of who has how many strikes against them and who is banned and why. That's why I'm so upset, because I think that I'm being banned and no one else is (which evidently is not the case). When people don't know anything, then that's when paranoia and rumors start. I just want everyone to be treated fairly.

I have not read a single word on this thread, for a lonnnnng time----I only clicked on your post, NA, because I knew that Dox had defended you on this thread, and wanted to know what you thought.

Now, as some people are aware, I support transparency when it comes to a Mod's actions, regarding why a thread was locked, for instance. I don't, however, think I support transparency in regard to a Mod's action when someone has been disciplined----because then it is a personal matter, and that's not fair to the person who got banned, for instance. I don't think Mods should be tellin' other people's business, and that's what it would be if a Mod told User A, that User B got banned, because of User A's report of their behavior. When User B gets back, then it's totally their prerogative, to divulge what happened, or not.

Also, I can totally see how, if a Mod were to tell User A how User B was disciplined, it could turn into a "feather-in-the-cap-gettin'-challenge"----meaning, User A might get a swelled head, thinking he had "power" to get people disciplined, and then be on a mission to report User B, at the drop of a hat, cuz User A simply doesn't like User B, and that's not fair because there is ALWAYS gonna be people that a user doesn't get along with, while getting along with many OTHER users. One can't just say "Well, I don't like this person, so I'm gonna get him banned"----which brings me to my final points.....

If the whole community knew who had how many strikes against them, I can totally imagine hearing stories of how someone worked, behind-the-scenes (using the Report button/PM), everyday, to get a user "that last strike" to get them banned----or, WORSE yet, a clique of people ganging-up on someone, to get them banned.

There's always gonna be rumors----imagine if there was a log: "User A - banned for cussing", "User B banned for a personal attack"..... Then, people will be saying: "Ohhhh, I wonder who User A cussed-out", or "Ooooo, I wonder who User B attacked----I bet it was User T; they hate each other!". "No, I bet it was User S, cuz User B likes her, and instead of admitting his feelings to himself, he attacks her all-the-time, to put her down"; and it would be totally unethical, IMO, to include any more detail than that (ie, which user, User A cussed-out), because that throws another person into the mix (again, tellin' someone else's business).

Wholeheartedly agree with you CC

Why would it bother you for people to know you were banned? I got banned twice. Doesn't bother me at all. Maybe someone can learn from my mistakes.

They are no mistakes to learn from if you read and adhere to the rules.

Sorry , I should of answered your other question as well ( it's pet hate of mine when someone just answers one of your points ). It would not bother me if people knew why I was banned but I have a different code of morals for myself than I use for everyone else , I tend to treat others a lot better than myself ( usually ).

Didn't I read that you were banned before on other sites? My point being, I am a total believer in following the rules, however, I am not perfect and therefore, I ended up getting banned. Since I am a rule follower, I broke the rules and it ended up in getting me banned. I took the consequences and I am not ashamed to let others know. I'm fine with this as long as I know that others are being treated the same. The only way to know that is if all information is made public. Dox even said they used to tell who had been banned right on the person's profile - so it would be nothing new.

Yeah, occasionally if you look in some really old threads, you'll see members with a red 'X' and the word 'banned' where their rank would normally be. From what I've been told, at some point Alex decided that trolls were taking those marks as marks of pride and instituted the silent ban, which has always stuck me as somewhat Orwellian in light of the rule against speaking of banned members. It's also disconcerting when someone just vanishes for a bit; I didn't know if Raptor had been banned earlier in the year, for example, or had just taken a break, or Jacoby right before the election, etc. I'm not sure total transparency would be desirable, but the current level of opacity certainly does create some problems of it's own.

I understand what you're saying----and, I didn't say it would bother me----I just don't think the majority, would want that.

Let's just say there WAS a log----say, a sticky at the top of this forum..... It might say, something like: "nurseangela was banned for attacking another user" (I'm NOT saying that's what you did, cuz I dunno what you did). "nurseangela was warned five times to attack the idea, NOT the person." "nurseangela will return on February 17, 2017." Then, for the second time you got banned, the exact same thing was written in the public log (with a different date-of-return, of course). Do you not understand that an enemy of yours (we ALL have them----there's no way to please EVERYBODY) could, after reading that log, set-out to get you banned, as soon as you returned? Even if it didn't include the date of your return, if someone really has a vendetta against you, they'd be lying-in-wait----and, it's possible that NOBODY, who witnessed the attack, would defend you; remember, there's ALOT of people on here, that are terribly lacking in reading comprehension.

Another scenario, might be..... Someone who had been liking / getting-along with you, might see the example log entries, above, and think "Wow, I didn't know she was like that!", and distanced themselves, from you----and, because most Aspies aren't good with confrontations, they wouldn't TELL you why they didn't wanna talk to you, anymore. Now, you could say that wouldn't bother you----but, what if it became the feelings of the MAJORITY, and you were eventually shunned into not returning, to this site?

Now, I can STILL hear you saying, it wouldn't bother you, cuz there's many more sites, on the web----but, IMO, (and, I've been saying this, pretty much, from day one, on here) if someone continues to have trouble with lots of other people (and, continues to blame everyone else----I'm NOT saying that's what you're doing), and refuses to look in the mirror, then the way they get along with people, will never change. My mother used to say "A thousand frenchmen can't be wrong!!"; meaning, if all these people were telling me I / my behavior was wrong, it probably was.

I've seen people on here, who like to "revel" in being a victim (again, I'm NOT saying that's what you're doing), and REFUSE to take responsibility for what was THEIR role, in when something goes-wrong (ie, they're not getting along with people, on here)----and, what might be WORSE, is when other users enable them to continue to be such, by saying "Awww, poor baby"; it spoils these particular users, rotten, and then they get angry when OTHERS aren't coddling them, as well; and, maybe, will report those users, because the others simply disagreed, with something they said.

Bottom Line, for ME: If I wasn't getting-along with alot of people, I----as much as I would hate to do it, cuz it would bruise my ego----I would take a long, hard look, at MYSELF, and be like "Okay----okay----lemme take another stab, at this. I'm thinking it was because I...... Maybe, if I try to consider, more, where other people, are coming-from (or, whatever).....". I could NOT, in good conscience, continue to blame everybody else, if I had not done EVERYTHING I could think-of, to rectify the situation, MYSELF.

I am for everything being public - like MooToo. It's been made very public that he was permanently banned. Being that I am totally against permanent bannation (my word) for all members including the one that just harassed me a few days ago (because I believe anyone can change), I believe knowing why this happened could stop some possible future bans. Also, making things public also keeps the moderators in check with each other and with the members of the community. If the community sees others breaking the rules and facing consequences fairly across the board, I think this would help everyone in trying to be decent rule followers. Like Dox said, some members go for a considerable amount of time without posting and the rest of the members have no idea where they are. If a person is banned, there is no open lines of communication to let others know where you are. AND, (Dox is a perfect example) knowing why the member was banned would help as then the community can decide if the ban was appropriate. As with Dox and League Girl, both were permanently banned and since both are now back and for myself, I don't see them as being at all obnoxious, they should not have been permanently banned. This is why I am extremely against anyone being permanently banned.

People should know who is banned and why, that way people can at least know what they shouldn't do and set some boundaries. It's really easy for things to look totally arbitrary or even biased if there is no explanation for things and any evidence of consistency.

About your first example, I already have one of those that has gotten banned and as soon as they come back they are after me again. However, knowing why I got banned the first time, I handled the situation just a little differently this time and did not get myself banned. BUT, I would like to know if they had any consequences for harassing me for the umpteenth time.

With your second example, I figure if people are around me long enough they will see how I truly am. I usually don't blow a gasket at someone unless they prod me into doing it. I think people are pretty good at judging someone's true character after awhile. So, no, that wouldn't bother me as I have nothing to hide and my personality is pretty much what you see is what you will always get.

Your saying that there are many more sites bothers me. Honestly, I really like this site and the people otherwise I wouldn't keep coming back like I do. When I was banned, I did go to another site for a few weeks with a lot of Conservatives and where did I end up? Right back here. That must say something good about the site, right? That's why I would like to see some things change around here to make this a more better place for people to come. There is a lot of negativity.

The "victim" paragraph, I believe those people should go to the Haven for support. Then other members can "choose" to go there to listen and give whatever feedback they want to give.

Exactly.

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one

You know what? This post has really got me thinking.....

You're RIGHT about MooToo's banning, being made public----and, another user's thread was locked, and the Mod (can't remember who) that locked the thread said, something to the effect of: "This person has been banned, so there's no sense keeping the thread open". LOL I kid you, not!! My thinking was, "Well, with THAT logic, every other thread the person started, should be locked". I'm a HUGE advocate of threads NOT being locked----and, that just the offenders, should be counseled----because then, EVERYBODY participating in the thread, is "punished", because they can't continue their discussion!!

Anyway, back to your post.....

What I was saying, was that apparently the Mods DON'T have a problem, already, with it being made public, when someone is banned.

One of my FIRST thoughts, when I read this, your post, was that "Well, that's what the rules, are for" (in regard to your saying you wanted it to be known, why somebody was banned), and that it stands-to-follow, that if someone was banned, they hadn't followed the rules----BUT, I DO see what you're saying, about the Mods being held accountable to the community (as I had suggested them being held accountable to the community, on another thread, in this forum).

I ALSO understand that it would help if it were known that people were being treated, equally, "across-the-board", as you said----because, quite frankly, I have ALSO gotten the feeling, that people weren't being treated, fairly / equally, and have been targeted. I have seen people take direct shots at others----DIRECT shots----for instance, more-than-ONE-time, I've seen someone say, something like "In case you're too lazy" (or, something similar, in regard to looking something up), and absolutely NOTHING is done to them, as far as we know; THEN, I have seen people say things, like the link that Dox provided on this thread, a few pages back, of the post for which he got a warning, that was misinterpreted, IMO. It truly doesn't seem like "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander", applies, here (absolutely NO reference to gender, in this case).

This issue just has SOOOOO many variables / facets----one, being that different Mods, are interpreting the rules, differently. Another, is that the rules are different in PPR, for instance----and, when someone who hasn't put-on their big girl / boy pants, wanders in there thinking that they're gonna conquer the world, there's enough Alpha dawgs in there, who are gonna prove them, WRONG, and slice-and-dice 'em (and, I don't mean personal attacks----I mean, quickly finding a million-and-one holes in their argument)----and, quite frankly, if the person hasn't read the PPR rules, and doesn't know what they're IN for, that's on THEM!!

These people are gonna get their feelings hurt, ALOT and alot more quickly / easily (and, HAVE), and, IMO, will be much more quick to hit the "Report" button----AND, IMO, they're too thin-skinned, to be in PPR. I have often thought there should be a way to ban people from a single, or more, forum(s) and let them continue to have access, to the rest of the site. In reading the PPR rules, they would know that things that are not allowed to be said on the rest of the site, are allowed in PPR----it says right in the rules "pretty much anything goes", and "which frankly is what the members themselves want here"; and, I don't think that is given proper / enough consideration, when the thin-skinned continually get their feelings, hurt. If it were ME, I would consider the person who was continually complaining, about others----not necessarily that they had an agenda to get someone banned, but that they might need to stay out of PPR.

I DO, however, support someone getting banned, PERMANENTLY----if, If, IF they have been counseled, and continue to do what they were told NOT to do, and have been banned several times; and, I don't care if they're a 12-year-old or an 82-year-old, or if they have ALOT of capacity or very little capacity, because that should be taken into consideration, when they're counseled. EVERYBODY has to follow rules, and if they can't, they should be banned. Yes, I believe, ALSO, that people can change; but, like I said, if they've been counseled / banned MANY times, and STILL haven't learned..... Well, maybe it's that they're not WANTING to learn.

Speaking of people being counseled----I think it was absolutely SINFUL, that you weren't told why you had been banned, and for how long (at the VERY LEAST).

Yes, I can see where being told why someone was banned, could help someone else, to NOT get banned.

I can only think of one person who should stay perm banned because they always go back to their own ways and have a Jekyll and Hyde personality and you never know when they will lash out at you. They go from being nice to nasty all of a sudden and they have done it every time they have come back. Plus they go fishing by making provocative posts and making it obvious they are talking about someone and when that doesn't work, they start using usernames in their posts to try and get them to respond. They can never see their own behavior and they see insults in other posts that are not even there and they are not able to learn from their own mistakes and take any responsibility because they always have the victim complex. That person hasn't been around in six years thank goodness. I am convinced they will never change.