16 Jan 2017, 11:35 pm
Campin_Cat wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
I am for everything being public - like MooToo. It's been made very public that he was permanently banned. Being that I am totally against permanent bannation (my word) for all members including the one that just harassed me a few days ago (because I believe anyone can change), I believe knowing why this happened could stop some possible future bans. Also, making things public also keeps the moderators in check with each other and with the members of the community. If the community sees others breaking the rules and facing consequences fairly across the board, I think this would help everyone in trying to be decent rule followers. Like Dox said, some members go for a considerable amount of time without posting and the rest of the members have no idea where they are. If a person is banned, there is no open lines of communication to let others know where you are. AND, (Dox is a perfect example) knowing why the member was banned would help as then the community can decide if the ban was appropriate. As with Dox and League Girl, both were permanently banned and since both are now back and for myself, I don't see them as being at all obnoxious, they should not have been permanently banned. This is why I am extremely against anyone being permanently banned.
You know what? This post has really got me thinking.....
You're RIGHT about MooToo's banning, being made public----and, another user's thread was locked, and the Mod (can't remember who) that locked the thread said, something to the effect of: "This person has been banned, so there's no sense keeping the thread open". LOL I kid you, not!! My thinking was, "Well, with THAT logic, every other thread the person started, should be locked". I'm a HUGE advocate of threads NOT being locked----and, that just the offenders, should be counseled----because then, EVERYBODY participating in the thread, is "punished", because they can't continue their discussion!!
Anyway, back to your post.....
What I was saying, was that apparently the Mods DON'T have a problem, already, with it being made public, when someone is banned.
One of my FIRST thoughts, when I read this, your post, was that "Well, that's what the rules, are for" (in regard to your saying you wanted it to be known, why somebody was banned), and that it stands-to-follow, that if someone was banned, they hadn't followed the rules----BUT, I DO see what you're saying, about the Mods being held accountable to the community (as I had suggested them being held accountable to the community, on another thread, in this forum).
I ALSO understand that it would help if it were known that people were being treated, equally, "across-the-board", as you said----because, quite frankly, I have ALSO gotten the feeling, that people weren't being treated, fairly / equally, and have been targeted. I have seen people take direct shots at others----DIRECT shots----for instance, more-than-ONE-time, I've seen someone say, something like "In case you're too lazy" (or, something similar, in regard to looking something up), and absolutely NOTHING is done to them, as far as we know; THEN, I have seen people say things, like the link that Dox provided on this thread, a few pages back, of the post for which he got a warning, that was misinterpreted, IMO. It truly doesn't seem like "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander", applies, here (absolutely NO reference to gender, in this case).
This issue just has SOOOOO many variables / facets----one, being that different Mods, are interpreting the rules, differently. Another, is that the rules are different in PPR, for instance----and, when someone who hasn't put-on their big girl / boy pants, wanders in there thinking that they're gonna conquer the world, there's enough Alpha dawgs in there, who are gonna prove them, WRONG, and slice-and-dice 'em (and, I don't mean personal attacks----I mean, quickly finding a million-and-one holes in their argument)----and, quite frankly, if the person hasn't read the PPR rules, and doesn't know what they're IN for, that's on THEM!!
These people are gonna get their feelings hurt, ALOT and alot more quickly / easily (and, HAVE), and, IMO, will be much more quick to hit the "Report" button----AND, IMO, they're too thin-skinned, to be in PPR. I have often thought there should be a way to ban people from a single, or more, forum(s) and let them continue to have access, to the rest of the site. In reading the PPR rules, they would know that things that are not allowed to be said on the rest of the site, are allowed in PPR----it says right in the rules "pretty much anything goes", and "which frankly is what the members themselves want here"; and, I don't think that is given proper / enough consideration, when the thin-skinned continually get their feelings, hurt. If it were ME, I would consider the person who was continually complaining, about others----not necessarily that they had an agenda to get someone banned, but that they might need to stay out of PPR.
I DO, however, support someone getting banned, PERMANENTLY----if, If, IF they have been counseled, and continue to do what they were told NOT to do, and have been banned several times; and, I don't care if they're a 12-year-old or an 82-year-old, or if they have ALOT of capacity or very little capacity, because that should be taken into consideration, when they're counseled. EVERYBODY has to follow rules, and if they can't, they should be banned. Yes, I believe, ALSO, that people can change; but, like I said, if they've been counseled / banned MANY times, and STILL haven't learned..... Well, maybe it's that they're not WANTING to learn.
Speaking of people being counseled----I think it was absolutely SINFUL, that you weren't told why you had been banned, and for how long (at the VERY LEAST).
Yes, I can see where being told why someone was banned, could help someone else, to NOT get banned.
To set things straight, I was banned for "nastiness" and the other time I believe I was just banned, but when you are banned a timeline comes up with the exact date you can come back and the time down to the minute. No one talked to me about what happened - that screen just came up.
I will give credit where it's due, the one moderator that has the woman with the glasses and light ray gun
- she did talk to me once and was fair, Adamantium is fair at times and tries to get people to say things differently, however, the Dox thing doesn't sound right. I don't know exactly who banned me, but it would have been nice to know. I had no means to explain my actions and why I was "nasty". I just don't like the whole banning process. It's very cold.
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17 Jan 2017, 1:29 am
Dox47 wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
To set things straight, I was banned for "nastiness" and the other time I believe I was just banned, but when you are banned a timeline comes up with the exact date you can come back and the time down to the minute. No one talked to me about what happened - that screen just came up.
That's actually an improvement from when it happened to me, back then you just tried to log in and it said you'd been banned, no reason was given, and you couldn't even get into your PM box or otherwise access your account. Like I said earlier, just contacting someone to contest the ban required that I use some Google-Fu to find a personal website with an attached email address that a then mod had created (and likely forgotten about), they really meant the bans to be permanent. Sometimes, they'd screw with your account to remove your avatar too, I had to get someone to fix that for me once my account had been restored, which should tell you something about some of the mods we had back in 08-09.
I'd say that a lot of my hair trigger concerning the mods comes from my experience back then, which isn't fair to the team we have now, who are generally decent, but I haven't figured out how to dial that part of myself back.
That's probably because yours was a permanent ban. That happened to me back on AC when it was permanent.
That's awful about the avatar. I know it bothered me when I was banned on the other site, but I knew something was up and took down Grumpy Cat's picture. I just felt like if it was still there then they would still be able to enjoy a part of me. I know that sounds weird, but the avatar pictures are important to me as identity of people. I get really out of sorts when someone changes their avatar. That means don't get rid of your big gun.
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the russians hacking our climate change? 
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22 Jan 2017, 2:24 am
Mikah wrote:
My first 7 day ban came after quoting almost verbatim an old personal attack on me, in order (I admit) to embarrass a poster who shall remain unnamed. Adamantium had a shining moment of glory, then he and the rest of the mod team decided what I had done was in fact a personal attack. Quoting a personal attack and throwing it in the attacker's face is a personal attack when I do it. A bit of a stretch guys, the whole thing smelled like an excuse to ban me for a while for unfashionable opinions expressed crimes past. I come back after the ban and I am told a mod was gleefully boasting in some thread or another that I and other conservative posters were "taken care of" as if we were living in an old mafia movie. I wasn't able to confirm that, but it fits with the fishy ban.
I also feel that I am on the receiving end of nuclear moderation more often than others. I've had entire pages-long threads deleted, not just posts, while the aforementioned personal attack on me (and others unreported) are _still_ readable. But this could be put down to a difference in moderation styles, who knows.
It's difficult to confirm bias when you can't see over the fence, so I won't accuse with any certainty, but conservatives are treated as persona non grata in many areas of real life especially when we step outside the "acceptable" economics realm of conversation. To see this tendency following us into the online world would not be much of a surprise. Like so many biases, it may not even be conscious.
A conservative moderator would not go amiss though. #DrainTheSwamp #MWPGA
I also feel that I am on the receiving end of nuclear moderation more often than others. I've had entire pages-long threads deleted, not just posts, while the aforementioned personal attack on me (and others unreported) are _still_ readable. But this could be put down to a difference in moderation styles, who knows.
It's difficult to confirm bias when you can't see over the fence, so I won't accuse with any certainty, but conservatives are treated as persona non grata in many areas of real life especially when we step outside the "acceptable" economics realm of conversation. To see this tendency following us into the online world would not be much of a surprise. Like so many biases, it may not even be conscious.
A conservative moderator would not go amiss though. #DrainTheSwamp #MWPGA
A Conservative moderator you say? Why I would just LOVE to!
(hint, hint, wink, wink)
24 Jan 2017, 2:41 am
24 Jan 2017, 2:21 pm
nurseangela wrote:
A Conservative moderator you say? Why I would just LOVE to!
(hint, hint, wink, wink)
25 Jan 2017, 3:43 pm
