Do you think one can "grow out" of Asperger's Synd
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That was part of my "agreement" with the "source" for when I came into this pit-trap.
Why is that?
Earliest of my accessible memories include witnessing many of us getting "sucked into" a kind of vortex.
Translating that into more human-language, basically, this vortex is the source of all contamination.
You could say that it's the equivalent of The Apple Tree in the Story of Adam & Even (metaphorically).
Getting too close to this vortex caused you to become contaminated.
Translating that into more human-language, basically, think of it like exposure to radiation.
You could say that it's the equivalent of consuming the forbidden-fruit from the forbidden-tree (metaphorically).
When you are contaminated by the corrupted radiation-energy, its intoxication has a mind-controlling effect upon you, and it continued to deceive the infected into going further & further towards it until they were sucked in completely.
I am not the only one who is here inside of this vortex (this entire universe is a very small speck within this vortex like how a grain of sand is a small speck compared to an entire galaxy), but many of us followed in order to try and "unstuck" those who were getting "stuck" into this vortex-existence (the word vortex is a key-word as to why time slows down when you approach the speed of light), although many who chose to follow the ones getting stuck, only ended up also becoming stuck & trapped themselves.
Approximately 101 million truth-messengers exist on earth right now, most of whom do not yet know who they are, but each universe only requires one Messiah (ours being Terence Malaher whose previous visitation was under the incarnation/identity/avatar frequently known as Jesus), due to the universe having "unique quantum-properties" that allow for the "education" from "enlightened realms" to reach even down into the "darker" or more "ignorant" realms of existence through a kind of telepathic-link.
The whispering of a serpent is a metaphor for telepathy.
The ear was a metaphor for the mind of each individual.
P.S.: The further into the vortex one goes, the more one's "perception" of reality is changed, even to the point of being "warped" and "twisted" if you may, such to the point where the infected/contaminated believe that lies are truth and truths are lies, but rather than going into too many detailed descriptions, I will just repeat that The Messiah's web-site is at http://www.the-testament-of-truth.co.uk/ (the people who are extremely contaminated will be controlled by too much "arrogance" to be able to "humble" themselves into even considering that a man who isn't even a king or a military-leader could possibly be a Messiah & those are the types who will completely refuse to even entertain hearing out what Terence has to say), and hopefully you can understand the implications of its simple theme/message.
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OK, Ban-Dodger, you follow this guy who claims to be the reincarnation of Jesus, and who claims that most men are corrupt and evil and will soon be wiped out and cast into hell, correct? So, you therefore believe that people with autism are in fact corrupted, evil souls who will burn in hell forever unless they repent and follow this guy who claims he's Jesus reincarnate? We can shed our autism, which you consider to be a false materialistic religion instead of an actual disorder, through repentance and following Terence/Jesus? So, any proof we may bring up that autism is truly a difference in the neurological wiring of the brain will therefore be dismissed by you as part of our corrupt, evil nature, and will simply be met by you with calls to humble ourselves before your messiah lest we get thrown into hell? So, basically you're just another religion troll who is trying to "save souls".
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I have "humbled" myself enough to read through nearly all of his web-site.
The history as to "why" I did that is a rather long story, but regarding there being evidence of "karmic-consequences" for actions, that factually exists as documented by researchers of anomalous/paranormal-phenomenon.
Whilst he claims to be Jesus, he does not claim to have ever walked on water nor turned water into wine, and in fact, he even states that every religious-teaching on earth has been falsified to greater or lesser degrees.
For your statement regarding autism being evil, that is an absurd assumption, but it would be accurate to say that IF you are "suffering" as a result of said so-called autism, then the "suffering" is simply a negative karmic-debt being "paid off" for every moment of suffering you experience (have you ever heard the statement, "You'll pay for that," when someone wants to "get back" at you ?). His writings ultimately state: Everything that we or our servants cause others to experience will also become our own experiences.
Therefore, just as long as we halt ourselves from being complicit to causing others to suffer, then eventually we'll gain freedom from the phenomenon of suffering manifesting into our life-experiences, due to the "karmic-debts" being "paid off" (in the "you're gonna PAY with some PAIN" type context), and when it reaches the point that you no longer have any spiritual-debts to suffer through (for payment unto the evil system before it will ever leave you alone), eventually you'll be able to achieve Divine-Protection in the sense that nobody would ever be inspired to harm a hair on your head, even if it's an axeman chopping off the heads of everybody else around you.
What is repentance ? Considering that you haven't read all of the contents of Terence' writings, perhaps you should just skip to Book 7 and onward, and Terence isn't asking anybody to bow to him, all he is warning about that if humanity continues to engage in extortion, wars, punishment upon non-tax-payers, etc., nothing to do with the kind of "repentance" that is promoted by all of the churches (and in fact Terence has even written that the bible should be burned as with all "legal" books so that humanity can start afresh with a humane-system rather than an extortionist one).
I dismiss the wiring theory because it's propaganda, and furthermore, you can even read the difference in the scientific-literature for yourself, that the campaigns promoted into the public actually do NOT support the findings of the ACTUAl scientific-literature, and this is a "scientific" publication (nothing to do with religion) for your information... here...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277931/
Neither of us is asking you to bow down to us but we do factually have "deeper knowledge" regarding the state of this universe, although Terence uses rather archaic-language, where-as in my case, I need to translate all of those out-dated concepts into more modern-day terms, and everyone existence has a lot to do with frequencies.
Mod edit: removed self-promoting link at the end of the post.
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Therefore, just as long as we halt ourselves from being complicit to causing others to suffer, then eventually we'll gain freedom from the phenomenon of suffering manifesting into our life-experiences, due to the "karmic-debts" being "paid off" (in the "you're gonna PAY with some PAIN" type context), and when it reaches the point that you no longer have any spiritual-debts to suffer through (for payment unto the evil system before it will ever leave you alone), eventually you'll be able to achieve Divine-Protection in the sense that nobody would ever be inspired to harm a hair on your head, even if it's an axeman chopping off the heads of everybody else around you.
What is repentance ? Considering that you haven't read all of the contents of Terence' writings, perhaps you should just skip to Book 7 and onward, and Terence isn't asking anybody to bow to him, all he is warning about that if humanity continues to engage in extortion, wars, punishment upon non-tax-payers, etc., nothing to do with the kind of "repentance" that is promoted by all of the churches (and in fact Terence has even written that the bible should be burned as with all "legal" books so that humanity can start afresh with a humane-system rather than an extortionist one).
I dismiss the wiring theory because it's propaganda, and furthermore, you can even read the difference in the scientific-literature for yourself, that the campaigns promoted into the public actually do NOT support the findings of the ACTUAl scientific-literature, and this is a "scientific" publication (nothing to do with religion) for your information... here...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277931/
Neither of us is asking you to bow down to us but we do factually have "deeper knowledge" regarding the state of this universe, although Terence uses rather archaic-language, where-as in my case, I need to translate all of those out-dated concepts into more modern-day terms, and everyone existence has a lot to do with frequencies.
Mod edit: removed self-promoting link at the end of the post.
OK, I must have misunderstood. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then, for this "Jesus" guy lived so long ago that we have zero proof he actually did exist, and if he did exist he preached something totally different than what either the Christian Churches or this Terence guy do. (See the Book of Thomas.) Terence's ideas sound much like Hinduism, where one has to suffer the karma of all past wrongs in past lives in this life. There is nothing new about that idea, in fact it's an idea that's been used by many proclaimed messiahs including L. Ron Hubbard (who was about as false a prophet as you can get). I suppose I don't have to ask you what you think about Buddhism, which says that suffering is part of the essence of human existence. Hindu ideas seem to be very popular among wannabe religious prophets in the Western World for some reason. Everything from Wicca to Scientology touches upon Hindu concepts.
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Sure, not a problem, and actually, the marriage-records that do exist for the "Jesus" figure shows that he was married to Mary Magdalene, and this fact upsets mainstream-Christians. The fact is that none of the teachings of the Jesus-figure were personally recorded down by his own hand but were of third-person accounts of his activities.
I'm familiar with the Book of Thomas as well as The Dead Sea Scrolls, and have copies of the Nag Hammadi, that is part of what got me into investigating all of these documents. I simply do the exercise of subjecting what-ever my current paradigm is to the most critical-scrutiny available, and although it sounds a lot like Buddhism/Hinduism, the karmic-concept is not exclusive to that of Buddhism/Hinduism, although often credited, but even Hinduism/Buddhism are contaminated in some of its teachings/philosophy.
Reincarnation, for example, is frequently believed to be required in order to continue suffering, and the belief is that it must be through any or another series of earth-lives. This was information obtained by paranormal-researchers, for your information, and these men were not religious at all, even though they investigated spiritual-phenomenon.
I thought there was some kind of disconnect between what The Messiah had written and compared it with the para-psychologists, actually, I will just go ahead and "quote" verbatim the relevant parts my e-mail to him and his response to me regarding the karma/reincarnation-concept...
This thought/question has been persistent for quite some time now and I would like to have it clarified.
I have read through quite a number of documented reports from paranormal-research by now and as for NDEs...
Near-Death Experiences seem to have a profound effect upon those who`ve gone through said experiences.
The vast majority of them end up believing in an All-Love Entity (Atheists become Christians/Believers, etc).
Although it is common-place for survivors to become better people, according to the statistical reports, I cannot
help but wonder if the Near-Death Experience is a tool of the Dark One to deceive the survivors/experiencers
that everything will be all rosy for-ever after physical-death occurs or if it`s because of their individual ignorance
regarding reincarnation ?
Much of my reading/research/study of the para-normal indicates far too much evidence that all persons will
eventually be required to reincarnate so long as there are any significant negative karmic-debts outstanding.
Are the majority of the survivors of Near-Death Experiences under some kind of great deception ?
Well, more specifically, many of them think that all of their suffering, and anybody`s suffering will somehow
end up being permanently over after the physical-life extinguishes, guaranteed, but is that not a deception ?
(They seem to have a very strong impression that Love is the only thing that exists after death...)
His response was as follows...
As for < be required to reincarnate so long as there are any significant negative karmic-debts outstanding. > NO - for accruing and paying painful 'Karma' takes place continuously in every realm outside the Light as man defies God, thus one does not have to reincarnate to 'suffer ones karma'- - - and within the Light everyone is accruing and receiving 'joyful' benign 'Karma' as God's Law applies to every realm and in the Light everyone is only Loving etc.
keep well - Terence
The "context" regarding "every realm" just means that there are far more realities of existence than our physical earth-lives, but there are apparently many more universes, and dimensions, planes, etc, kind of like how you'd abandon one game-server and maybe go onto another MMORPG instead. For a "hint" as to how some of those "existences" are structured The Messiah mentioned that what humans refer to as "dreams" are not merely that but rather they are "tokens" of a greater-reality. Even some of the world's top-physicists are actually finding themselves forced, according to the evidence/data available in quantum-experiments, towards viewing this universe as being somewhat like a kind of a server of some hyper-complex video-game (and yes many of them have gotten upset at this after an entire life-time of ridiculing "woo-woo" only to find out that this whole entire universe is practically made of it).
Although the name of a man I am about to reveal is not upset at such revelations, he's amongst the world's top-phycisists, considering that he happens to be one for NASA: Tom Campbell
Most of the videos on You-Tube with Tom Campbell are rather lengthy (like over an hour or two) but I managed to find one with him speaking only for a few minutes for a briefer description/explanation...
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I am not "enthralled" by anybody. I simply recognise him as being who he says he is since I had been friends with him last time during our previous visits, but he is a MORTAL, the ONLY "real" difference between him and the rest of us is his access to uncontaminated knowledge regarding spiritual/quantum-reality due to his lack of negative-emotions (I've read through just about nearly all of his writings and I can ASSURE you that he has NO desire to bring ANY amount of "harm" unto anybody, and I KNOW that he's quite sincere about trying to steer humanity away from its rather war-mongering perpetuations of death-and-destruction). Also, I am not so weak-minded as to feel like I need to cling onto some identity, for I take the always-questioning agnostic-style approach; it's only those who latch onto a group-think identity who feel the discomfort of cognitive-dissonance if their dogmatic-beliefs are put into question.
And of course there's nothing new with the ideas I've mentioned, not to me anyway, but there are still a LOT of "uninformed" minds on many of these matters, and they're still "fresh perspectives" or perhaps "different lenses" as to how a phenomenon may be constructed. I've gone through a LOT of paradigm-shifts/cognitive-dissonance throughout my life-time such to the point where I now just use a term that I refer to as a paradigm-grid.
Within the earlier years of my life, that grid was somewhat of a series of hops between religion (mostly Christian) and atheism, various self-labels like perceptionism/perceptionist, Neo-Tech reader, (extremist) skeptic, psychotic, spiritualist, para-psychologist, etc. I used to believe in the idea of adopting & adhering to a belief-system. Picture some graph-paper: Each square being representative of one or another belief-system (paradigms if you may).
Fundamentalists usually only stick to one square and refuse to entertain the idea that anything outside of their own main square could possibly have any validity. That is how I view just about every belief-system (including that of both para-psychology & science if they turn into one [turn into a belief-system]). I have done the exercise of always subjecting what-ever I may believe at the time to the most critical-scrutiny that I could possibly find, and I assure you, this has been a very humbling experience for me (because doing this had forced me to reject so many previous beliefs that I used to have until it got to the point where I'm mainly interested in expanding my paradigm-grid rather than adhering to any so-called certainties). I prefer to fill my grid with information-gathering, and I'll make my own decisions when comparing my thus-far-gathered grid-information with that of others' paradigms, regarding its validity or not.
This has allowed me to effectively reject dogmatic religious-beliefs (I have an aunt who is a Fundamentalist Southern-Baptist [I'm sure that the parodies of Paster Deacon Fred, who is really an atheist pretending to be a SBPriest, will come to mind for some people]), such as when my aunt went about proselytizing to me with stories about how Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophecies on exact/specific calendar-dates (easily refuted even, from non-Atheist, Jewish sources - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 537AAwYEPV), that there are supposèdly no contradictions in the bible (also easily refuted with NonStampCollector's popular video @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk&fmt=18 and also by a former fundamentalist himself @ http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunk ... /Page6.htm), etc.
Getting into reading of para-normal research-publications, originally for reasons that I was planning on logically identifying all of the logical-mistakes and errors of "duped professors/scientists/doctors" who were "convinced" in the "nonsense" of mysticism (frequently referred to as woo-woo), for purposes of showing these authors how their conclusions in accepting the existence of so-called psychic-phenomenon were erroneous, I only ended up finding that their publications already covered all of the objections that many of the Joe Nickell publications & refuted them with even more sophistication (not to mention that the researcher-methods of de-bunking & ruling out fraud & error were actually far more sophisticated than anything I had read amongst the "skeptics'" literatures).
Anyway, someone linked a book in one of my other threads that dealt with Chinese bio-medical research, and actually reminded me of another thing that I had posted in another forums, regarding whether something exists or not. The reason I do NOT auto-dismiss something as being non-existent is because of my awareness-levels of how reality is actually somewhat layered. Consider the fact that cats can see light-frequencies that the naked human-eye cannot, and dogs can hear frequencies that the un-aided human-ear cannot, and consider the limitations of our primary five physical-senses. Sure, scientific-instruments have come into existence that can detect things which humans normally cannot, but there are still no instruments/technologies that are able to display exactly what I'm picturing in my mind right now, because none of the technological-instruments would have such a high-range sensitivity-level.
The idea in the past that viruses/virii and bacteria and germs caused disease/illness/sickness was scoffed at and ridiculed, for the microscope had not yet been invented, and they couldn't fathom that tiny little critters that the eye could not see was responsible for health, rather than blood-poisoning. The "state-of-the-art" medical-practice of that time was known as blood-letting (but modern-day medical-knowledge nows that too much loss of blood can itself result in the death of the patient). Anyway, that brings me to our "energy bodies" of which there are NOW scientific-instruments that are sensitive enough to be able to detect, and where I would say that the source of our material/physical-layer of existence gets its "form" from, thus "chi" is no longer too much of a "controversial/does-not-exist" topic, due to being attributed to bio-electricity. The Chinese have invented a lot of inventions, including gun-powder, and so the Chinese are not necessarily a culture that I can dismiss as being primitive, and also considering how they now have immense resources available for being able to do cutting-edge research, and whilst it may seem like ancient ideas, our "energy bodies" are regarded as what "regulates" many aspects of our physical-bodies.
Let me put it another way: The Earth is a Physical-Body. The Earth has an Electro-Magnetic Field. Our Energy-Bodies are to our Physical-Bodies as to similarly how the Electro-Magnetic Field of the Earth is to its Physical-Manifestation. Disrupting the Electro-Magnetic Field (such as with an EMP) can resonate a LOT of different (potentially harmful) effects upon the Physical-Body. Honestly, I'm not trying to "intrude" into anybody's paradigm's with so-called religious-beliefs, like I said, you're all free to reject the information I've presented as being whacked, but that doesn't change the fact that I still believe it to be a good idea for everyone to take the paradigm-grid approach & simply review all of the information, even if you reject most of it, sometimes there can be good gold-nuggets or diamonds amongst the rubble (figuratively speaking).
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I just don't see how someone can claim to be a much more free-thinker than everyone here....yet they go by the teachings of some self proclaimed messiah? I'd think your BS detectors would really be going off at that....and if I am not mistaking you also have also fallen into the trap many conservatives have of blaming any and everything wrong on 'liberals' and using it as a dirty word, unless that was another poster I'm getting you confused with...Either way following self proclaimed messiah's just does not convince me you are the epitome of free thinking and questioning everything.
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Have you bothered to "question" what the "real" definition of a so-called "messiah" is ?
To me it means: Messenger
Have you bothered to "question" the "context" in which I may be using the "liberal" label ?
... alright, what the f**k, someone must be screwing with me with their damn time-travel technologies because those were NOT the definitions listed the last time I pulled them up on a search-engine. Anyway, before some wise-crack decided to change our time-line to alter history, Liberals were defined in the other time-line as being strong advocates of government being promoted & involved with everything (but at least it's remained untouched as described by a commenter to the reviewer of the book: The Myth of the Robber Barons).
The Liberal "Public Schools don't so much indoctrinate, as they just don't teach anything worthwhile: the ability to think, history, moral principles, literature, reading above the fourth grade level, etc. They teach self esteem, why you should feel good about yourself although you cannot read, write or do Arithmetic.
- http://www.amazon.com/review/R5GK9ZJHU7 ... hisHelpful
Questioning everything & always subjecting myself to the most diametrically opposed views to what-ever I may have believed in at the time has lead me into being able to come up with some pretty damn may-be-regarded as "far out" stuff to be able to "de-bunk" just about everyone and everything. For all we know our memories could be from nano-quantum-level alien-implant-technology devices, explaining how people retreive memories of past-lives, even though it could simply be the "records/recordings" contained within the alien implant-device itself, and not necessarily memories of our own (just that we may be the current hosts of these implants that have stored/recorded all of those memories and life-time-informations).
Consider that "recording" technologies allow the storage of ENTIRE MOVIES onto a CD, and what is a Compact-Disc, anyway ? Nothing more than a flat piece of shiny plastic, yet, its storage-capacity is HUGE (when compared with the more primitive floppy disks of the day), basically it's a kind of "Flattened Crystal" if you may (the CDs are). Getting back to this "liberals" Agenda, apparently, not everybody can necessarily agree on its definition, but one theme remains common...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=liberal
I use it in the "context" of "government-promoters" or "adherents of wanting big government" etc., when historically, the State-religion has ALWAYS been the BIGGEST mass-murderers in ALL of human-history (due to forcing its ideologies upon everybody at gun-point). Perhaps you can give me a better word for this than Liberals ? Ultimately... forced ideologies are bad.
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To me it means: Messenger
Have you bothered to "question" the "context" in which I may be using the "liberal" label ?
... alright, what the f**k, someone must be screwing with me with their damn time-travel technologies because those were NOT the definitions listed the last time I pulled them up on a search-engine. Anyway, before some wise-crack decided to change our time-line to alter history, Liberals were defined in the other time-line as being strong advocates of government being promoted & involved with everything (but at least it's remained untouched as described by a commenter to the reviewer of the book: The Myth of the Robber Barons).
The Liberal "Public Schools don't so much indoctrinate, as they just don't teach anything worthwhile: the ability to think, history, moral principles, literature, reading above the fourth grade level, etc. They teach self esteem, why you should feel good about yourself although you cannot read, write or do Arithmetic.
- http://www.amazon.com/review/R5GK9ZJHU7 ... hisHelpful
Questioning everything & always subjecting myself to the most diametrically opposed views to what-ever I may have believed in at the time has lead me into being able to come up with some pretty damn may-be-regarded as "far out" stuff to be able to "de-bunk" just about everyone and everything. For all we know our memories could be from nano-quantum-level alien-implant-technology devices, explaining how people retreive memories of past-lives, even though it could simply be the "records/recordings" contained within the alien implant-device itself, and not necessarily memories of our own (just that we may be the current hosts of these implants that have stored/recorded all of those memories and life-time-informations).
Consider that "recording" technologies allow the storage of ENTIRE MOVIES onto a CD, and what is a Compact-Disc, anyway ? Nothing more than a flat piece of shiny plastic, yet, its storage-capacity is HUGE (when compared with the more primitive floppy disks of the day), basically it's a kind of "Flattened Crystal" if you may (the CDs are). Getting back to this "liberals" Agenda, apparently, not everybody can necessarily agree on its definition, but one theme remains common...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=liberal
I use it in the "context" of "government-promoters" or "adherents of wanting big government" etc., when historically, the State-religion has ALWAYS been the BIGGEST mass-murderers in ALL of human-history (due to forcing its ideologies upon everybody at gun-point). Perhaps you can give me a better word for this than Liberals ? Ultimately... forced ideologies are bad.
I am well aware of what the term messiah actually means....either way I sure as hell would not follow someone claiming to be one, since it does have that spiritual/religious association and I don't think there is a single human that somehow has access to the truth of all things who is here to guide us all. If you believe in that fine, but its not something that correlates with anything I believe in.
And no you are wrong about the original definition of liberal or liberalism....it is hardly a philosophy that encourages government involvement in 'everything' its more having the government involved i such a way to preserve personal freedoms and rights that is the sort of 'government involvement' a true liberal would support not anything that is detrimental to personal freedoms/rights, if we go by original definitions. Liberalism historically is indeed about challenging conservatism or the established hierarchy of a system...you're getting things confused with the republicans and democrats those are the ones who's definitions have switched. You're just following into the same old trap as plenty of conservatives who think liberal is a dirty word because they right wing media told them so, you probably also believe the Soviet Union is a proper example of what a communist society is supposed to look like at its final stage....am I right? Either way though liberals and communism is not the same thing, though some liberals might hold some 'commmunist' ideas if they feel going that direction would be a progressive move for society as far as moving forward. It would be the democrats who like government involvement in everything....they use wording to attempt to sucker in those more on the left, but they like government involvement just as much as any fundamentalist right wing conservatives.
Also having gone to public school nothing about 'how to feel good about yourself' was part of the cirriculum, if anything schools I went to rubbed students weaknesses in their face, looked the other way when it came to bullying/ostracism so long as it was the outcast/weirdo/freak being bullied...of course if one of these outcasts dared challenge the heirarchy and say something mean back or fight back then they'd get the full brunt of the 'anti-bullying, policy' I learned a lot of reasons to feel like crap about myself going to public school. Also nothing you're saying is all that 'far out', unique or anything new......this is all stuff I've heard before, its not really anything shocking or enlightening.
Also what you are decribing seems to be more along the lines of fascism or totalitarianism, those are the extremes of big government...by definition a liberal would challenge things like that. Some of these right wingers really do like to twist around the fact many liberals support things like having a social safety network....it goes from the reality of liberals thinking if there is a government it ought to be supporting the people especially those in need/struggling...To somehow any liberal loves big government and wants your freedom removed when its quite the contrary. I mean belive what you want, to each their own but I've heard essentially all of what you've said before from numerous sources with heavy right wing bias, hence why I am questioning just how much of a free thinker you really are.
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To me it means: Messenger
Have you bothered to "question" the "context" in which I may be using the "liberal" label ?
... alright, what the f**k, someone must be screwing with me with their damn time-travel technologies because those were NOT the definitions listed the last time I pulled them up on a search-engine. Anyway, before some wise-crack decided to change our time-line to alter history, Liberals were defined in the other time-line as being strong advocates of government being promoted & involved with everything (but at least it's remained untouched as described by a commenter to the reviewer of the book: The Myth of the Robber Barons).
The Liberal "Public Schools don't so much indoctrinate, as they just don't teach anything worthwhile: the ability to think, history, moral principles, literature, reading above the fourth grade level, etc. They teach self esteem, why you should feel good about yourself although you cannot read, write or do Arithmetic.
- http://www.amazon.com/review/R5GK9ZJHU7 ... hisHelpful
Questioning everything & always subjecting myself to the most diametrically opposed views to what-ever I may have believed in at the time has lead me into being able to come up with some pretty damn may-be-regarded as "far out" stuff to be able to "de-bunk" just about everyone and everything. For all we know our memories could be from nano-quantum-level alien-implant-technology devices, explaining how people retreive memories of past-lives, even though it could simply be the "records/recordings" contained within the alien implant-device itself, and not necessarily memories of our own (just that we may be the current hosts of these implants that have stored/recorded all of those memories and life-time-informations).
Consider that "recording" technologies allow the storage of ENTIRE MOVIES onto a CD, and what is a Compact-Disc, anyway ? Nothing more than a flat piece of shiny plastic, yet, its storage-capacity is HUGE (when compared with the more primitive floppy disks of the day), basically it's a kind of "Flattened Crystal" if you may (the CDs are). Getting back to this "liberals" Agenda, apparently, not everybody can necessarily agree on its definition, but one theme remains common...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=liberal
I use it in the "context" of "government-promoters" or "adherents of wanting big government" etc., when historically, the State-religion has ALWAYS been the BIGGEST mass-murderers in ALL of human-history (due to forcing its ideologies upon everybody at gun-point). Perhaps you can give me a better word for this than Liberals ? Ultimately... forced ideologies are bad.
I am well aware of what the term messiah actually means....either way I sure as hell would not follow someone claiming to be one, since it does have that spiritual/religious association and I don't think there is a single human that somehow has access to the truth of all things who is here to guide us all. If you believe in that fine, but its not something that correlates with anything I believe in.
And no you are wrong about the original definition of liberal or liberalism....it is hardly a philosophy that encourages government involvement in 'everything' its more having the government involved i such a way to preserve personal freedoms and rights that is the sort of 'government involvement' a true liberal would support not anything that is detrimental to personal freedoms/rights, if we go by original definitions. Liberalism historically is indeed about challenging conservatism or the established hierarchy of a system...you're getting things confused with the republicans and democrats those are the ones who's definitions have switched. You're just following into the same old trap as plenty of conservatives who think liberal is a dirty word because they right wing media told them so, you probably also believe the Soviet Union is a proper example of what a communist society is supposed to look like at its final stage....am I right? Either way though liberals and communism is not the same thing, though some liberals might hold some 'commmunist' ideas if they feel going that direction would be a progressive move for society as far as moving forward. It would be the democrats who like government involvement in everything....they use wording to attempt to sucker in those more on the left, but they like government involvement just as much as any fundamentalist right wing conservatives.
Also having gone to public school nothing about 'how to feel good about yourself' was part of the cirriculum, if anything schools I went to rubbed students weaknesses in their face, looked the other way when it came to bullying/ostracism so long as it was the outcast/weirdo/freak being bullied...of course if one of these outcasts dared challenge the heirarchy and say something mean back or fight back then they'd get the full brunt of the 'anti-bullying, policy' I learned a lot of reasons to feel like crap about myself going to public school. Also nothing you're saying is all that 'far out', unique or anything new......this is all stuff I've heard before, its not really anything shocking or enlightening.
Also what you are decribing seems to be more along the lines of fascism or totalitarianism, those are the extremes of big government...by definition a liberal would challenge things like that. Some of these right wingers really do like to twist around the fact many liberals support things like having a social safety network....it goes from the reality of liberals thinking if there is a government it ought to be supporting the people especially those in need/struggling...To somehow any liberal loves big government and wants your freedom removed when its quite the contrary. I mean belive what you want, to each their own but I've heard essentially all of what you've said before from numerous sources with heavy right wing bias, hence why I am questioning just how much of a free thinker you really are.
Not to mention Urban Dictionary is entertaining and certainly interesting but hardly a reliable source for history/information on the origins of words and ideologies most entries in that are at least a little bit silly even if they do contain a couple elements of truth.
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The REAL reason I started using the term Liberal has NOTHING to do with so-called Right-Wing propaganda. Honestly, I believe there should be NO government, because it's obvious that governments ARE the "Anarchists" (Anarcho-Capitalist Oligarchies). Where it REALLY started from when I looked up its Definition, and like I said, before either our time-line apparently got changed or the algorithms to the Search-Engines were altered (or both), Liberalism was basically an idea that believed in using Government to uphold/promote ideals (whilst it may be well-meaning to protect life/liberty/etc., through government, that philosophical-idealism is actually mis-guided, due to the fact that it still believes that government is the answer to one or another problem).
Seriously, read all of the review to The Myth of The Robber Barons for yourself, heck, read the whole entire book for yourself, and back when I used to attend college/classes, its teachings (especially in economics-classes) were so full of propaganda, I really just can't help but to face-palm at how easily American-culture is so easily "indoctrinated" by all of that government-promoting fiscal-policy beliefs.
Then I came across the term of Liberal in various other mediums & comments to You-Tube videos that "dare" to put "question" into "dogmatism" (but of course the Dogmatists come forth like a bunch of Fundamentalists to defend their world-view despite having no idea that they've been brain-washed & hood-winked by dogmatic-propaganda-indoctrination). I will yank out the example of Rupert Sheldrake & you can read all of the comments in response to said video & see for yourself the various perspectives (whilst this may not be the specific video where the term Liberal re-surfaced it's still related & relevant but if necessary I'll try to see if I can't find the ones with commenters specifically using the term which I think is in regards to "freeman" and "sovereign" videos where WE do NOT believe that there should be "licenses" for everything such as so-called driving [and self-proclaimed liberals WANT these "licenses" to be a REQUIREMENT which = Government Intrusions into our lives])
Here is some more food for thought...
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IMPORTANT: ...I need to do a paradigm-update after recently just learning about this TED talk...
Quoting comments made in response to the video of the TED Talk that I feel are of most relevance...
I am going to be posting this to every one of my threads due to its methodologies being able to potentially turn psychiatry from the way it's currently practiced from a pseudo-science into an actual, real, genuine science !
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Seriously, read all of the review to The Myth of The Robber Barons for yourself, heck, read the whole entire book for yourself, and back when I used to attend college/classes, its teachings (especially in economics-classes) were so full of propaganda, I really just can't help but to face-palm at how easily American-culture is so easily "indoctrinated" by all of that government-promoting fiscal-policy beliefs.
Then I came across the term of Liberal in various other mediums & comments to You-Tube videos that "dare" to put "question" into "dogmatism" (but of course the Dogmatists come forth like a bunch of Fundamentalists to defend their world-view despite having no idea that they've been brain-washed & hood-winked by dogmatic-propaganda-indoctrination). I will yank out the example of Rupert Sheldrake & you can read all of the comments in response to said video & see for yourself the various perspectives (whilst this may not be the specific video where the term Liberal re-surfaced it's still related & relevant but if necessary I'll try to see if I can't find the ones with commenters specifically using the term which I think is in regards to "freeman" and "sovereign" videos where WE do NOT believe that there should be "licenses" for everything such as so-called driving [and self-proclaimed liberals WANT these "licenses" to be a REQUIREMENT which = Government Intrusions into our lives])
Here is some more food for thought...
Meh it still seems like you have it mixed up....and I never posted any propaganda so since you edited my post to say 'liberal propaganda' I think I can see any more time responding to you would be time wasted...since you think any disagreement with your version of 'truth' is liberal propaganda. Last I checked its more the christian fundelmentalist conservatives/republicans who want the government to legislate how you should live your life moreso than any actual liberals, and pass laws to discourage so called immoral ways of life....brush up on your history. No someone didn't go change the definition of liberal to 'people who challenge the status quo and look towards progression of society, as opposed to 'conserving' the status quo' that is what it initially meant, whereas conservative is more about preserving the status quo.
And great some long dead conservative thinks if you reach the age of 30 and don't turn into a conservative you have no brain.....just because the person who said the quote is dead doesn't make it true, I disagree with their quote.
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I assure you that if you posted "conservatives-supporting" content that I would have just called it "Conservative Propaganda" but the word in the U.S. for Propaganda is actually called P.R. (Public-Relations). I was not really intending to use the word "propaganda" in a pejorative sense but was simply "snipping" the size of your message down (but if we can agree the contents of your post can basically still be described as a: supporting references for liberals definitions).
And great some long dead conservative thinks if you reach the age of 30 and don't turn into a conservative you have no brain.....just because the person who said the quote is dead doesn't make it true, I disagree with their quote.
Getting into the actual issues of the whole liberal/conservative/democrat/republican thing, honestly, I see both sides as being utterly naïve for believing that voting one or another candidate into presidency will change anything (when presidents are really nothing more than "puppets" for the REAL decision-makers about how the world will be run), and that I find something fishy going on that seems to want to divisively divide everyone, and make everybody fight against each other, like some psycho who puppets all world-leaders wants to start civil-wars or something (considering the amount of mis-information & dis-information from EVERY side of the government abounds).
Attempting to look at our interactions more "objectively" though, perhaps our "Aspie" may be causing misunderstandings with one another, considering that we ARE on a forums for autistics, but I assure you that I have absolutely no intention of trying to bash or degrade you in any way. I absolutely agree that individualism, freedoms, etc. should be guaranteed, but I run into so many "voters" and "tax-payers" (perhaps these would be more-accurate and better words to use than liberals/conservatives/democrats/republicans) who buy into one or another government-promoting ideology or who seem to insist on promoting one false-flag story or another (despite the massive amounts of evidence that the shadow-governments of the U.S. itself are instigating these violences) that it's difficult not to view such people as being indocrinated by a cult-style belief-system (see how those people in the politics-section are responding to my posts & compare the evidence for yourself).
I end with another final quote to finish this post...
”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” -Benjamin Franklin
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