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TwilightPrincess
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04 Jan 2020, 12:29 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I’m not talking about that.

I’m talking about intention. It depends on specific context to discern intention.

Nothing wrong with the Socratic Method if it leads to constructive dialogue. There is the potential for repeated questions to become harangues, though—intended to harass.


Perhaps Socrates was one of the original philosophical trolls unless we want to go back to Satan...

In some portions of his Dialogues, I’ve said: “You are so bad!” lol

It could be viewed as baiting, I suppose, to use those sorts of methods - to act as though one is asking for information to learn while he or she is only looking for ways to catch the person in a trap.


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04 Jan 2020, 12:48 pm

It could happen that way.

I happen to be an admirer of the Socratic Method.



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04 Jan 2020, 12:54 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It could happen that way.

I happen to be an admirer of the Socratic Method.


Me too.

I love reading the Dialogues.

One just needs to avoid pushing it too far.


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04 Jan 2020, 5:34 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Sealioning, according to Wikipedia, is repeated requests for "evidence," or the asking of repeated questions, while purportedly seeking to learn from the person whom one is "sealioning."

People in the know, though, see sealioning as as a method of trolling, and an attempt to denigrate the person who is the subject of the "sealioning."

Context is important. "Sealioning" is derived from a character in a Wondermark comic book. This means that somebody who has never read Wondermark would find it difficult to discern the origin of this term.

The term hasn't entered the standard lexicon yet. Though, in time, it probably will.


I’m confused.

If people are going to make a claim, they should provide some evidence to support it. The “burden of proof” is on the person making the claim. If someone is telling me that the White House is housing an alien army, then I’m going to ask for some evidence, not that I wouldn’t find this entirely believable.

Also, Socrates methods could be described as “sealioning.”


I totally agree.

I think there might be a problem if someone is misusing:
"Show me the money",
But I can't recall seeing something like that here.

"Explain your position, please",
Seems totally reasonable to me. <shrug>
But then I am a rational individual,
So what do I know? :mrgreen:



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04 Jan 2020, 5:43 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There is the potential for repeated questions to become harangues, though—intended to harass.


If someone refuses to address a point made,
Why is it wrong to point that out?

Essentially it is a:
"Put up or shut up",
Sort of thing.

I have seen people repeat statements constantly,
But won't provide evidence why they think what they do.

Personally,
I see the problem as being "non-responsiveness" to reasonable inquiry. <shrug>

The onus is arse about tit, imo.