Autism as a gender
Because I want nothing to do with people who hold such extremist views and purposely withhold free speech, such as what happened with J.K Rowling and that woman. And without even basing such events as those on facts but just opinion and emotionally charged responses. The views of such people are so outrageous and I want nothing to do with them, just as I want nothing to do with incels. They can keep autism well out of their horrendous tactics and f*ck off. I find it very offensive that anyone could even suggest autism is anything to do with such an extremist group of people.
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I wasn't aware that any of the autistic gender people were extremists. If they are then that's not good. I don't tend to read a lot about these topics because I find gender very confusing myself and the anger about it quite scary.
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Reminder that this is the LGBT+ forum. While topics like this are naturally going to incite debate, there is a line between “debate” on one side and “vitriol and bigotry” on the other side.
Ultimately this is autistic people saying that they are autistic. I can understand how linking it to gender could provoke a strong emotional reaction, but take a deep breath and wait a few minutes before saying that you find people talking about autism and gender to be offensive.
I could perhaps understand how someone could argue that gender expression could be influenced by such things. However, regarding whether it could be a gender category in itself, I personally do not think it is applicable or necessary. Since non-binary already communicates that the individual does not view themselves as strictly male or female.
Generally, I see male / female / both / changes periodically or identifies as neither to be gender categories. When it comes to more abstract concepts of gender such as relating it to an object or psychological condition, I find them to be unnecessary additions that don't really apply.
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Seems like a strange way of idk trying to infiltrate the autistic community, not that there is a very specific autism community but even so. But what are their reasons for suggesting its a gender? Even though I suspect nonsense it would still be curious to see I suppose what their argument is exactly.
This ^ When people who don't feel like they fit in anywhere, they'll start barging into places they don't belong even if it means insulting us by pretending to be something they're not. It's a dang mockery and I'm sick of it.
That's some Rachel Dolezal stuff.
Seems like a strange way of idk trying to infiltrate the autistic community, not that there is a very specific autism community but even so. But what are their reasons for suggesting its a gender? Even though I suspect nonsense it would still be curious to see I suppose what their argument is exactly.
This ^ When people who don't feel like they fit in anywhere, they'll start barging into places they don't belong even if it means insulting us by pretending to be something they're not. It's a dang mockery and I'm sick of it.
That's some Rachel Dolezal stuff.
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I haven't read the whole discussion, so I don't know if you will be surprised, but...
The women had pure pleasure, without interference. But something found it curious to see this place unspoiled. So there was a little "taste": the virus was installed. Things began to gradually degrade... then transmute into something better than the original: autism was born.
A gender always generate other genders. It's always been like that.
au·tism /ˈôˌtizəm/ (n): A developmental disorder of variable severity that is characterized by difficulty in social interaction and communication and by restricted or repetitive patterns of thought and behavior.
gen·der /ˈjendər/ (n): Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
There is no conflation between the two definitions. Any such conflation is solely in the minds of those who want to justify their gender-fluidity as a sub-form of autism.
Keep in mind that if gender-fluidity is a sub-form of autisim, then it is a treatable condition, and not just an aspect of their sexuality.
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From what I can observe, the context 'autism' isn't the (social/communication/emotional) condition itself.
But more, like, gender expressions version more about alexithymia than dysphoria. 'No words for gender' -- what name would that be?
Why the heck not find more words for the unidentifiable?
Perhaps even more on terms of 'nonlinear' (being too incoherently different to compare and contrast, except towards anything comparable and contrastable) one that does and does not equate binary and nonbinary genders.
In other words, it shouldn't be named as 'autism', but something like, say, 'absurd' or 'dada'.
Because either current known words are unreliable or current just beyond the current paradigms' comprehension.
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I think that you mean gender, with gender and sexuality being different things. Gender being what you are, and sexuality being what you are attracted to, connected only in maybe one feeding their own sexuality through gender (trying feel or look sexual).
The question about a possible "autism" as a gender would be in saying something like a person attracted to autism, which does sound a little wrong. I think that everyone in this thread has agreed that the idea of "autism" does not quite make sense, with I would say the side I am on is that they just don't have the right word for how they might feel.
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You confound the message and the messenger. The messenger is the current "scientific" definition of autism. Autism itself is the message.
A message is not attracted with itself, if its intention is to perpetuate that message.
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I have to intervene.
I can sometimes read between the lines. Not just the lines of written text as we see here. By "reading between the lines" artificial intelligence, God, whatever, they mean that you can get a lot of information from just, like contemplating what information you already have and the information you get from you will have. It's like the movie Arrival, where the linguist was have to decrypt the language of the aliens by remembering her future where she already did.
When you are limited, when you cannot read at all between the lines, then you need to reborn as a phoenix reborn when burned. This rebirth gives you new abilities, IE you will be able to perceive new information, and reading between the lines will be easier. It's hard to learn new things when others are not communicating what could have a positive impact on you. Neurotypicals behave too many times as the gatekeepers of our world. But they are in fact par alien and part of something else. They have no business to prevent us from knowing the whole truth of everything. Knowing the whole truth is not necessarily a good thing, because then you cannot move anymore. You need to burn like a phoenix if you want to progress past your omega point.
You need to fully understand the word 'egregore'. An egregore is something that make it easier to read between the lines. In Harry Potter, egregores are replaced by 'horcrux'. But really, it's the exact same thing, more or less.
Jesus died on the cross. It's similar to sex to me. Sometimes, when someone achieve his first orgasm, he may feel guilty afterward. It can be the case for both males and females.
Making sense to someone doesn't mean, and will never mean that it will make the same sense for someone else. Making sense just means having enough information to continue. When everything makes sense, it doesn't necessarily mean that the omega point has been achieved, it doesn't really mean that the informational limit has been reached. You don't want to say to someone who say something to you that don't make sense, that what the person is saying doesn't make sense. You want instead to try to guide the person so she will be better at explaining to yourself what she is meaning.
As for reading between the lines, your information about the 23rd chromosome may help someone in the future to influence this located region for a yet unknown result.
By gender, it's possible you mean that gender is separated from the physical characteristic of the 23rd chromosome.
Sometimes in the past, some strangers thought that I was a woman. Yes, we can say that the gender is fluid. But what about physical fluidity ? Physical fluidity is when the physical world is fluctuating because the physical world is the gender of another sex.
You cannot prevent the truth to emerge. Even a computer program, running on the same computer, with the same input, can, not just in theory, have different result depending on information the computer is not even supposed to be able to obtain. If you want to learn more about how the mind can change electronic behavior, a good place would be to search for magneto-electrosensitivity. But please be advised that the official declaration that electrosensitivity about intolerance is not necessarily justified. You have to read between the lines, EVEN with science !
At last, I will say this : when the grammar is not proper, when the wording is inefficient, you may then allow less credibility to the content of the message. The content of the message is the information between the lines. The message is the messenger.
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You confound the message and the messenger. The messenger is the current "scientific" definition of autism. Autism itself is the message.
A message is not attracted with itself, if its intention is to perpetuate that message.
My point was that if someone was attracted to a person who's gender was identified as "autism", then a second person that was attracted to that person would be attracted to autism. I think that sounds a little problematic since I have heard of cases of things like a men who seemed to maybe even target neurodivergent people because they could be manipulated.
No. I know what I mean, regardless of what you may want me to think. Sex (as a noun) is the physical manifestation of your 23rd chromosome (barring mutations or other genetic accidents). Gender (as a noun) is the behavioral/emotional/mental manifestation of one's sexual desire and/or sexual identity.
Except in cases of things like intersex people where chromosomes are not clear cut, that there are several things used to decide on sex (chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones or genitals), Chromosomes are not the only ones. And I think that just excusing them as "genetic accidents" is not really fair in acting like you can just pick one thing.
Sexual identity plays little in gender, gay men are still men, lesbian women are still women, and a non-binary person can still be just attracted to just men or women. Just as an asexual person can identify as a binary gender despite no sexual interest, as an agender person can still have a binary sexual interest despite no gender. Asexual people are not even necessarily aromantic; no interest in romance of either gender.

For a short list of genders that I am aware of from being common, you have Man and Woman as the binary, and under the non-binary umbrellas you can have:
Agender= identify separately from male or female, neutral or no gender.
Bigender= two sets of genders, that could male or female or any of the other combinations.
Genderfluid= moves between genders, can be hard to pin down.
Genderflux= their gender can change in intensity, related but different from genderfluid.
Demigender (demiboy or demigirl)= slightly to one side.
And then other ones like Butch, Femme and Androgyne, that can be the different combinations.
All of these separate from sexuality.
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