Interesting article about "four core subtypes" of autism

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DSM and ICD11 were never created for neurodivergent people. All these research studies serve are for funding bodies looking for ways to classify us into categories for funding support. Always about $$.

I'm also unable to relate.

I don't have ADHD.
I don't actually have executive dysfunction until puberty and burnout.

And I've only experienced some form of anxiety in puberty.
Bad enough to quit going to school for years until it disappeared on it's own by the time before I became a legal adult.
No therapy, no medications, just time, space, a lot of berth, hyperindependence, pride and spite -- not diagnosed for it either.

I do not recommend.



Look -- anyone can just have all sorts of psychiatric labels, cognitive and learning disabilities, many hypersensitivities and intolerances, needing several medications, likely need series of therapists, and having more emotional adverse circumstances...

And yet left undiagnosed or under-diagnosed, still do masking, comply on social and environmental pressures and hit whatever expected developmental targets, live in chronic pressure and fear, shame and self loathing...

Actually suffer and actually have responsibilities and problems in real life for years end.

... And then do not burnout and regress in developmental years during childhood or teenage years, instead did in later years during adulthood or in elderly years.



All I know is that I'm not one of them who can just afford to "live and cope" and only was forced to pause said life in way later adulthood instead of during developmental years.

That things I've been needing at age 10, I finally get it by myself -- 20 years too late, and despite being diagnosed 15+ years ago, surrounded by people who supposed to "knew better".

^^^ I think the motivational drivers are also a big factor

That's not the point.

There are autistics with the same neurotypical driven aspirations and expectations, and do not burnout until in later years.
And then there are ones with the same drive, motivation and expectations, but burnout anyways.

Both tried just as hard.
Whether they can or not, whether they have additional issues or not, whether or not driven by circumstances they do not chose.

But what's the difference between the former from the latter?
Even with the same support received, same support levels and functioning even??



And then there are those who are not driven nor forced upon neurotypical expectations, regardless of source -- supposedly, they likely do not burnout.

Yet says nothing about those who did end up burning out without any of those external pressures or accumulated factors.

I've never had burnout before but if and when I eventually do get burnout will I still have to work?

Depends.

Technically, one can. If it's somewhat mild.

But there will be lifestyle changes and likely sacrifices involved to sustain whatever job until you just can't.

Usually severity that one just can't anymore is a very life-changing event.


And when one did, it can vary from several weeks of break to recover, several months of going easy, years of basically not leaving home, or just flat out regress and never able to do the same stuff again.






Here's what I've noticed about categorization and everything that had been measured thus far;

There are no "measurements" for burnouts.

There are measurements for cognitive profiles, emotional factors, environmental socioeconomic outcomes...
Odds of mental health, odds of suicidality, odds of unemployment ...


But almost nothing about burnouts.

Why had one in toodlerhood and why never did? There's no way to know until it ever happens, and itself is an undesirable outcome.

Except as a factor of getting diagnosed late and unemployment.
Absolutely nothing about how to predict and prevent one except matters external, as usual.


But I do know burnout is a very human reaction thing, not necessarily an inherent autistic thing.


Just that a super sensitive system, a circumstantial huge mismatch, or a wholly dysregulated inner or outer factors (or any of two or all) are just very prone to such.

So far, there's no way to know which is which -- the super sensitive system has the dandelion and orchid theory, circumstantial mismatching is essentially living in mismanagement, and the dysregulated factors are non-negotiable crap for just existing or being in the wrong time and place.


Yet it can decide whether an autistic ended up with higher support levels and be more disabled, it can even decide if someone is capable of masking anymore or not, it can even be the very one that loses hardwon executive function.

I mask more when out in public around strangers, but I feel I don't need to mask much with social interaction.

Does every autistic get burnout eventually? Because I worry that if I ever did in the future the government won't support me and then I'll be homeless. Being homeless scares me more than anything else in the world. I couldn't bear it. I need my security.

I'm very outwardly expressive and able to understand and communicate my needs and emotions, so does that go to my advantage?

Much the same here, I don’t scream when touched, and have never had the urge to hide behind the luggage rack on a bus etc. Why? Because this stuff is mostly invention, with authors latching on not to people who are typically autistic, but rather to those who have extreme expressions of these issue, who are just a small part of the phenomenon!

You need to check back on the historical meaning of the word, pre Kanner (Aaron Rosanoff’s paper on “ a theory of personality...” is a good place to start. This “autistic person” = “person with autism” is a crock of crud; most autistics do not have anything that could be fairly described as autism.

We are different. We don’t have an innate need for social skills, for instance; it’s something we have to do for the benefit of others. We have no interest in status, which make us a constant irritant to those for whom status is everything, the pursuit of which is the real root of all evil.

We are inclined to make up out own minds, another irritant to those who are sure their role in life is to dictate how others should think, the better to exploit them.

None of these things are inherently bad, but they set us aside from the crowd, which makes us objects of suspicion and loathing to the majority of mankind, who, in this respect act just like any other herd animal, and if you are not part of the herd, you are person nongrata.

Very enlightening, thank you.

Autistic community has always been split between "normal presenting" and "abnormal". the latter don't come on the radar of us "normal presenting" folk unless its our kid.

Meanwhile neurotypicals can whiff/sniff out any trace of neurodivergence. A perpetual struggle of masking, harder for some, less difficult for others.

Very insightful. I can personally relate to this. But how do you explain socially successful autists? they do exist. My take is we are driven by the same innate drivers as everyone else but make compromises along the way.