Autistic people seeing through nonsense

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My take-

It's been said people on the spectrum tend to more like be atheist or agnostic when it comes to organized religion or belief in a superpower. I know for me this is true, as it makes no logical sense to me to believe in something that doesn't seem to be rooted in logic.

I like to question authority; I've come to find most people who get promoted to management or law enforcement usually are not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree. The whole " because I said so" or " thats how it is" doesn't wash with me, if I know that it's being made up to boost ones little ego.

In a way, I do believe in Ben Shapiro's theory of " The facts don't care about your feelings". I find at least in The USA, people seem to worry about hurt feelings more than calling things what they are.

At work I've gotten into issues where I've flat I told managers that something would not work or calling BS when I heard them contradict themselves.

At times things go over my head but my BS detector usually is correct.

I can be incredibly gullible if I trust the person and do not undertsamd why they would take advantage, and completely sceptical and nonsense-proof if I do not trust the person or I realise they have something to gain by fooling me.

So I tend not to fall for scams by strangers, but I have been taken for a ride by people I thought I knew and trusted.

I can relate to that.

I am told that people on the autism spectrum have a problem with Theory of Mind (I think, that is related to this topic). I thougt, well... let's work on that.

The first thing I thought of, is the Sally and Ann test. It's about absolute truth and personal truth or perception. With this test, I learned that people can be tricked into believing something.

I also learned that people behave in a certain way or say things, that are in their own interest. They may find their own interests more important than others' interest.

It can also work in a possitive way. Let's imagine: I am in a supermarket. A fellow customer has a problem with something. I am often the first one that notices that, and offers to help. I see other people minding their own business. They don't deliberately ignore the very customer, I just think, they do not notice it.

I really see and hear everything, nothing can escape my attention. Some people notice that I am extremely alert. And I often see relations between things that seem to be completely independent at first sight. That is especially related to geopolitics, the corona pandemic (which is not a pandemic, but a military project) and the war in Ukraine (which is a war from the West against Russia, instead of a war from Russia against Ukraine and - as they say, later on - the war from Russia to whole Western Europe).

There's some irony in this thread; even some of the examples posters have given of seeing through nonsense amount to embracing nonsense and/or disinformation.

I can always rely on you to bring the sun out.

Like I might have already mentioned in this thread, anxiety can skew my perception of reality. So if I saw a post somewhere online right now saying that the Americans (Trump's troops) are coming to get me, even it's just a throwaway comment with no evidence at all, I'd probably still panic and hide myself in the cupboard or something. (Note, please let's not derail this thread on to Trump, I was just using him as an example).

On an Emetophobia Facebook group I belong to, someone was actually worrying because they had spoken to someone with a vomiting virus on the phone and that they might catch the virus down the phone. My Emetophobia has never made me think of things that absurd, I mean come on, like if that's physically possible , but then I thought that for someone with anxiety disorders or OCD or phobias these can seem so real until we've gotten reassurance. So I couldn't judge really.

I think with me it's more about trust. I trust physics more than I trust the government, so that might be why I would worry more about what the government is planning than the physics of how telephones work.

It's like I'm intelligent enough to overthink these things (a good survival skill) yet dumb enough to be unable to rationalise because of not understanding all the details of things.

From above Tamaya:"It's like I'm intelligent enough to overthink these things (a good survival skill) yet dumb enough to be unable to rationalise because of not understanding all the details of things."

So, sometimes , I guess I just understand things different : The Above. , sounds like a potential symptom of
Developing Intuition ??.

Some aspects to consider:

Autistics feel no particular desire to conform, and so see no reason not to question a thing (nor to go along with the crowd).

I for one also have a desire to understand anything of interest, which I suspect is common among us.

Put the two together and it’s inevitable that we’re the most likely to see through establishment lies. This makes us very unpopular among the movers and shakers who end up in charge of everything.

Look no further to see why we are denied recognition as a minority and the protections that should arise from that. In all the civilised countries, aversion therapy has been decreed cruel and unusual (as well as ineffective) and is now illegal, with just one exception: autistic kids and ABA.

Everything NTs do is socially modulated. So if two people in a group say they feel cold, everyone in the group starts to feel cold. They're not pretending to feel cold to fit in and conform with the group; they actually feel cold.
There's no sensory input or independent thought that's not filtered by the social frame, unless NTs put a lot of effort into counteracting that. So the same person who is thoughtful and kind with his multiracial co-workers goes to a family event in their less diverse hometown and starts laughing at the racist jokes.

Autistics are consistent across social frames, and their sensory experience of the physical world is unaffected by other people. Of course, autistics mask to fit in, but it's fake, even if they try to convince themselves it is not.

But the down side is sometimes I am the last one to pick up on unspoken social cues that indicate danger or a scam or a change in feelings. I think we autistics assume NTs are consistent too, but they're not. And it doesn't even occur to most NT people that they are very inconsistent all the time. I can't even count how many times I've told someone that earlier they said "xyz" and they're just like, "no I didn't say that." Not "oh I changed my mind and now think abc..." but just that xyz was never ever a thing.

^ Right, well, the NTs I know aren't like that. They have their own minds. That's why there's often conflict in the workplace among NTs. Small talk they can often agree on and "feel the same" but deeper feelings become more individual.

And I don't like being referred to as fake. Anyway didn't I read somewhere on an autism site that NTs were the fake ones?