"OK to be a nationalist" thread.

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It's not "remarkably easy" at all. In fact, it's remarkably difficult. Not everyone adheres to the same standard. I've already stated my opinion that I don't see any difference between ethnic nationalism and nationalism based on loyalty to a specific country. We're already at odds, aren't we?

When it comes to what is "racist, sexist, and homophobic..." well, that very subjective, also. Unless you are someone who walks lock-step with PC culture, which has pretty much gone off the rails into the absurd.

^ Good points. I've felt for a good while that the long term agenda of Political Correctness and Identity Politics is to use the 'Hate Speech' mechanism to make the expression of socially conservative views difficult, then unacceptable and finally illegal. We've not got there yet, but it looks practically inevitable the way things have been going in recent years. When that happens, we'll no longer be living in a proper democracy.

Ethnic nationalism identifies a specific ethnicity as the nation, or identifies the nation by a single ethnicity -- "White America" or "Make America White Again" is a form of ethnic nationalism.

What you call "nationalism based on loyalty to a specific country" is Patriotism. I am loyal to America -- not Trump's America, not Obama's America, not the America of the Left or Right, and not the America represented by one specific race, religion or political persuasion. I'm loyal to America as it could be -- as it should be -- "One nation, indivisible, with equal liberty, equal justice, and equal opportunity for all".

What an astonishingly simplistic and naive viewpoint that is, if I may say so.

As if the definitions of these words are commonly agreed or can be easily defined. I don't think I express those kinds of opinions on here, but if there are people with such views, I want to know who they are, what they think, and why they think these things. I am not likely to be offended by them, but if I am, then what of it?

You weren't around 40 or 50 years ago, but I was, and there was a saying that was widely accepted as being just obvious common sense: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but calling names will never hurt me." What on earth has happened to cause people to move so far away from such a position today? The society we lived in then was an awful lot more stable, crime-free and prosperous than the one we live in today, certainly in the UK.

No it's ok, you proved my point. Given that you were under 10 when the Iraq war started i doubt you were against it. Killing a million people, destroying a country, making Iran stronger and going to war on a pack of lies 'ACHIEVED ITS OBJECTIVES'. That is truly sickening stuff and a million times worse than any ism or phobia and you don't know anything about Afghanistan or Al Qaeda.

Well put.

Maybe if you'd watched the John Pilger film i sent you about the 'war on terror' Walrus, you wouldn't still be repeating such nonsense.

Well currently that would be Walrus , XFG , Enviro & Me

And personally I think the other 3 do a f*****g good thankless job at keeping this website a safe place.

And I really don't think our views on what consists of racism , sexism or homophobia is going to change.

If members have an issue with this then I suggest they go to other websites when they want to discuss what the mod team here think is racism , sexism or homophobia - simples ( not Twitter though )

Walrus has already answered regarding the Iraqi war but just for the record, my view on war is that I'm always against it, unless it concerns an evil and ruthless dictator who is oppressing his people, or causing loss of life and needs to be removed from power with as little bloodshed as humanly possible.

It is indeed a discussion that could last hours, but an instance where it was unjustified was the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki as there's no justifying the loss of civilian life.

Another point: WP is not subject to so-called "PC" culture. Just plain fairness and humanity. We have a duty to protect our members, be they black or white, straight, gay or transgendered, male or female. So thus WP's rules cannot allow any content to be posted that makes any of our users feel uncomfortable. It has to be a site where all people on the spectrum, or who identify with them, can feel welcome.

Question, what do you do about members that are racist off this forum and they post racist things elsewhere? Is that still a violation of WP rules or is it just as long as you keep that off this forum, you are welcome here?

I doubt we would know if they are the same people, unless they had the same or similar username and a distinct posting style / way of writing. We wouldn't be able to control over what happens on other forums. They have their own mods who should be monitoring what's going on, but I think for stuff like Facebook or Twitter there's simply too much content thus well nigh impossible for anyone to control.

None of us would be prepared to visit sites like Stormfront just to see if anyone who is posting there might be a member here...

I don't think a precedent has been set yet.

AFAIK it is not against the rules to goosestep round your house , dress up in Nazi regalia , listen to fascist music , watch videos of hate crimes or post your views on any other forum - yet

Wrong! I have monitored several sites ( as have other mods ) in the past to keep a track of things especially after we get an influx of trolls.

I monitored the Sociopath website for months waiting for them to plan an attach again. Good news is the Sociopath forum is no longer running , bad news is they have probably integrated themselves somewhere else.

I sure hope we don't have any members from Syria, Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan. Cause despite how the media paints it, the people of those countries don't want liberty carpet bombing or us supporting organ eating Jihadists to remove their leader. Not that we have the right to anyway. And oddly enough the war crimes you are supporting would have had our leader criminals hung at Nuremberg.

I'm sure you can't generalize regarding the citizens of those countries. Individuals can't be associated with the government of their particular country. How do you know there aren't people on the autism spectrum in those countries who are apolitical and just want some support?

Do you think the people in Libya wanted to go from living in one of the most prosperous countries in Africa to having slave markets in the capital city? I know a lot about the Syrian war and i can assure you they don't want to be ruled by Western backed Jihadists that put them in cages and shot their children in front of them. It was great to see the people of Allepo celebrating Christmas after the Syrian army had liberated the city from our Jihadists.
It's hard to be apolitical in those countries when one of your family members is likely to have been blown up by us.