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Tomatoes
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24 May 2020, 11:25 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
For a short list of genders that I am aware of from being common, you have Man and Woman as the binary, and under the non-binary umbrellas you can have:

Agender= identify separately from male or female, neutral or no gender.
Bigender= two sets of genders, that could male or female or any of the other combinations.
Genderfluid= moves between genders, can be hard to pin down.
Genderflux= their gender can change in intensity, related but different from genderfluid.
Demigender (demiboy or demigirl)= slightly to one side.

And then other ones like Butch, Femme and Androgyne, that can be the different combinations.

All of these separate from sexuality.


Something I just remembered. I don't know about every specific details of that thing of course, but what if there was a totally different mathematical world, and in that world it would be possible to prove theorems using whole universes as numbers, and that in theses universes, an unique event would happen, making it possible for the universe as a number to study what is outside that universe ?

Because, Male and Female as binary, when Men are always telling that Women are a mystery (because of their intuition, they say), and Women are telling that men think with their genitals. If it's possible to think with one's genital, then how can we limit the expression of gender and sex to just what is visible and/or perceptible ?
And if it's not limited to the perceptible and the visible, why not communicating what is missing here ?



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25 May 2020, 12:01 am

Tomatoes wrote:
Because, Male and Female as binary, when Men are always telling that Women are a mystery (because of their intuition, they say), and Women are telling that men think with their genitals. If it's possible to think with one's genital, then how can we limit the expression of gender and sex to just what is visible and/or perceptible ?
And if it's not limited to the perceptible and the visible, why not communicating what is missing here ?


I am not really sure what you are trying to say, but I could point at things like the patriarchy that creates things like emotional stagnation in men where it tells them to supress feelings, and male dominance of women sexuality either in them needing to be pure or as sex objects for men. Even though the results I have seen is that on average men have a higher sex drive than women, I think that it is reductive having the stereotypes.

As the genderbread man displays above, gender expression can differ from gender, and I think generally works as a means for one to try and express their gender, make it visible. I am trying to think how else to explain things, perhaps that some cisgendered (male) drag queens don't have interest in if someone is attracted to them while they are in drag, because most of the time they are dressed as men and see themselves as men, despite often performing in a way that presents feminine. In those cases presentation does not reflect sex or gender.


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25 May 2020, 12:27 am

This kind of nonsense is why the genderspecials need their own forum, separate from gays and lesbians.

Man and woman are not genders; they are just the adult forms of human males and females, respectively. I'm so tired of people with their gender identity ideology projecting that ideology onto other people and stating it as if it's a fact. Most people do not agree with you; you are using words in an unusual and unpopular way.

It's redundant to say that lesbians are "still women"—one can't be a lesbian without being a woman. Womanhood is a requirement of lesbianism.



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25 May 2020, 1:25 am

starkid wrote:
This kind of nonsense is why the genderspecials need their own forum, separate from gays and lesbians.

Man and woman are not genders; they are just the adult forms of human males and females, respectively. I'm so tired of people with their gender identity ideology projecting that ideology onto other people and stating it as if it's a fact. Most people do not agree with you; you are using words in an unusual and unpopular way.

It's redundant to say that lesbians are "still women"—one can't be a lesbian without being a woman. Womanhood is a requirement of lesbianism.


Well, I am sorry to inform you that it is LGBT, not just LGB, transgender is included along with lesbian, gay and bisexual, and non binary genders are generally included under transgender. And while sex and gender used to be used interchangeably, it has become increasingly distinct, not words being used in unusual ways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

While I hold sympathy over frustration from people being silly with strange and unusual gender identities, along with some occasions of people that might push things onto people, I would warn you not to fall into thinking that could come across as bigoted. For examples, organizations like the LGB Alliance are generally seen as an anti-trans hate group, not in the spirit of the LGBT/pride movement.

I apologize if my clarification about lesbians still being women came across as offensive, My understanding is that being a women is the basis of being a lesbian. Although, I have also recently heard of He/Him Lesbians in discussions of pronouns, and non binary lesbians, who still consider themselves lesbians while not considering themselves entirely a woman.


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