My church has been Columbined.

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28 Jul 2008, 11:19 pm

Im sorry ((((((((((Miss Pickwickian)))))))))))))) I hope you are feeling ok. I dream of a world where this kind of thing doesnt happen, because peoplle are aware enough to get help before they get to the point where they would do something like that.


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29 Jul 2008, 1:31 am

We're aware of this kind of thing AFTER it's too late. Society fails us here. As human beings we fail each other and ourselves. I thank God I survived high school with no bloodbaths.



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29 Jul 2008, 11:21 am

I so sorry for you


I would like see what "medications" this guy was on.



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29 Jul 2008, 2:44 pm

MissPickwickian wrote:
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THIS is why I think America suffers from what I call the Charlton Heston Syndrome. If people weren't so psychotic about their right to bear arms, none of this pointless violence would ever happen.


I don't want to make this too political, but this was most likely a right-wing f--- with a shotgun who wanted to go homo huntin' on a Sundee mornin'. This whole thing makes me feel just a little less moderate. The left needs me.

I'm for gun control, but I think a man who was so screwed up he decided to open fire during a children's production of 'Annie' would find a way to kill somebody regardless of the availability of semiautomatic weaponry.



OMFG! 8O I too am stunned by what happened AND that someone here was personally affected by it. But I have to say, the last paragraph is a very typical reactionary statement to gun violence but outlawing guns WONT stop them from falling into the hands of crooks NOR will it reduce violent crime. Nonviolent people often cannot understand how violent people work and why they're violent. Transgression does not fit the pacifist, idealistic worldview that is common among people in the UUC but its a Grim Reality and not acknowledging it only puts you in greater danger of falling victim to it!



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30 Jul 2008, 7:23 am

So you're saying we shouldn't even bother trying to stop gun violence? So you're telling me that the motives of violent people are beyond our comprehension? So it's all futile and we might rejoice in skyrocketing gun deaths?



Bullsh*t.



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30 Jul 2008, 10:32 am

slowmutant wrote:
So you're saying we shouldn't even bother trying to stop gun violence? So you're telling me that the motives of violent people are beyond our comprehension? So it's all futile and we might rejoice in skyrocketing gun deaths?



Bullsh*t.



you really should read John R lott.


guns dont kill people psychiatric drugs do



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30 Jul 2008, 10:45 am

nightbender wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
So you're saying we shouldn't even bother trying to stop gun violence? So you're telling me that the motives of violent people are beyond our comprehension? So it's all futile and we might rejoice in skyrocketing gun deaths?



Bullsh*t.



you really should read John R lott.


guns dont kill people psychiatric drugs do


*snort*

You have got to be kidding me. I take psych drugs, have been on them for years. And I have never fatally shot anyone. Who is John R. Lott? John R. Lott can kiss my arse.



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30 Jul 2008, 11:03 am

slowmutant wrote:
nightbender wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
So you're saying we shouldn't even bother trying to stop gun violence? So you're telling me that the motives of violent people are beyond our comprehension? So it's all futile and we might rejoice in skyrocketing gun deaths?



Bullsh*t.



you really should read John R lott.


guns dont kill people psychiatric drugs do


*snort*

You have got to be kidding me. I take psych drugs, have been on them for years. And I have never fatally shot anyone. Who is John R. Lott? John R. Lott can kiss my arse.



john r lott wrote the book proving gun ownership reduces crime

Acutally all the research shows that homicidal and suicidal ideation this is recognized by the fda especially with anti-depressants.

you should also read Dr. Peter Breggin
he details this
you must be one of the rare 20-30% percent of the people who recieve some kinda of psychologic/social benefiet from these drugs even though its tearing your body apart and worsening your underling biologic sitution, and will result in your 15-20 year early death.



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30 Jul 2008, 11:03 am

MissPickwickian has already asked that we don't turn this into a political argument, guys. The gun-control argument can be done in another thread. Let's leave this thread to help her cope with losing her friends, ok?


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30 Jul 2008, 11:05 am

ok



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30 Jul 2008, 11:53 am

slowmutant wrote:
So you're saying we shouldn't even bother trying to stop gun violence? So you're telling me that the motives of violent people are beyond our comprehension? So it's all futile and we might rejoice in skyrocketing gun deaths?



Bullsh*t.


Im NOT telling you that the motives of violent people are beyond comprehension! Im telling you that nonviolent people have a hard time accepting that transgression exists cos it doesnt fit their worldview. What motivates violent people first and foremost is the desire for Power. Violent people seek to have power over others which leads them to prey on those that they see as weak and vulnerable. In a nutshell violent people have 2 things in common: a dominance drive coupled with a lack of empathy. Outlawing firearms puts the advantage in favor of people who have superior physical strenght and/or strenght in numbers(in cases were a group gangs up on an individual)-is THAT what you want??



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30 Jul 2008, 2:29 pm

slowmutant wrote:
So you're saying we shouldn't even bother trying to stop gun violence? So you're telling me that the motives of violent people are beyond our comprehension? So it's all futile and we might rejoice in skyrocketing gun deaths?



Bullsh*t.


OH MY GOD. NOT THIS AGAIN.

For the love of God, take it to Politics, Philosophy, and Religion.


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30 Jul 2008, 10:23 pm

People, this young lady has lost two of her friends in a horribly violent and senseless manner. Please take the political rants to another forum. How would you like it if your loved ones were killed and someone started arguing politics about it?

ENOUGH ALREADY!! ! :x

Miss Pickwickian, once again I am so sorry for your loss. :cry: I'm keeping you and your fellow worshippers in my prayers.


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04 Aug 2008, 9:24 am

MissPickwickian wrote:
Note: Some of the information in this post is sensitive and could conceivably be used to track me down. No perverts.

I am a member of two churches: one Catholic (because I'm Catholic) and one Unitarian (because all my friends go there). I didn't go to either this morning because I had visitation with my father. Last night we went bowling with his new girlfriend. The TVUU was staging a version of the musical 'Annie'. My friend was in it. My mother had wanted to take me, but it would have been too much trouble to end the visitation early. So no Broadway church for me.

As it turns out, just as the kids started singing a guy walked in and shot up the place.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/27/chu ... storyviewS

Because my father is in the news business and I am in the church community, I know more about this story than most people. My friend's foster father, G., by all accounts a great guy though I only met him once, is dead. My mom's boss got a good look at the shooter and is therefore being held for questioning. Nobody else I know well was hurt. And thankfully, the guy aimed away from the children. He only shot seven adults before a UT professor tackled him and wrestled the gun out of his hands, pinning him there until the police arrived.

The assailant had a fanny pack full of extra shotgun shells with him. He really meant business. They were able to capture him alive. We don't know the motive yet, but the fact that he chose a Unitarian church that is active in the local gay rights movement may indicate that this was a hate crime.

You know, when you see this kind of thing on the news (Columbine, Virginia Tech, those poor Amish kids) you invariably respond with a confident It-Can't-Happen-Here, a perfectly natural human coping mechanism. If we didn't have It-Can't-Happen-Here, we would be nervous wrecks all the time. Unfortunately, no matter how psychologically useful, the ICHH assumption is completely wrong. It happened to my church. It happened here. People I know are dead.

Oh my God.


I go to a diffrent kind of church. We were all focusing on you guys. Putting positive intentions forth, for everyone to heal and be alright. ( its kind of like praying )

On behalf of my entire church we all hope you heal and get the emotinal help you need.
As well as your friends and family that knew the people there, and for your entire church.



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04 Aug 2008, 1:29 pm

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THIS is why I think America suffers from what I call the Charlton Heston Syndrome. If people weren't so psychotic about their right to bear arms, none of this pointless violence would ever happen.


Turn this into a right wing bashing, gun fearing thread, no please don't. CH was a good man, you assume you know so much.

This is tragic. Totally nuts. The college professor is a hero.


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04 Aug 2008, 9:59 pm

I was wrong to villify the late Mr. Heston. I apologize, everyone. :shaking: