"OK to be a nationalist" thread.

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Tallyman used to (publically) call it the "Hate and Loathing"

Good name

The point is to make the rules a bit stricter in all the other sub-forums while still providing these people with a limited outlet that lets them express themselves a little (but not much) more freely. Concentrating all this stuff in one part of the board would make it easier for the rest of us to deal with it (either by ignoring it or by arguing against it, as we prefer). Also, making the proposed new forum non-public (members only) would make the presence of these people less publicly embarrassing to the Wrong Planet community as a whole.

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How about just asking the moderators to be more strict? True, people like me would get more warnings, but the really bad people might eventually disappear.

I feel like there are good, useful threads in "love and dating"----in addition to those where men attack women, and women attack men.

Simply making them disappear from WP doesn't address the larger social problem, which is that, as far as I can tell, large numbers of autistic men are getting drawn into (1) the Incel subculture (for obvious reasons) and then, from there, (2) the larger "Manosphere" and then, from there, (3) neo-Nazism or other forms of white nationalism.

So I think WP would be doing a great service to the larger autistic community by having a place where some of us could debate against these views directly without feeling overwhelmed. Having hints of these views in several different sub-forums all over the board, as is the case now, not only makes the board as a whole feel unfriendly to people of color, LGBT people, etc., but also makes the prospect of debating against these views feel (to me, at least) a lot more overwhelming than it would be if their views were confined to just one (relatively non-public) part of the board that I could go into only when I felt like it.

To me, the ethnic nationalist goal of cultural homogeneity is obviously against the interests of autistic people. The case for cultural homogeneity, as summed up in Rudyard Kipling's poem "The Stranger" (which can be found on lots of immigration-restrictionist and white nationalist websites) is basically that people from the same cultural background have the same body language and unspoken social rules, hence can more easily decide whether to trust each other. The problem with this, for autistic people, should be obvious.

Quite a few times here on WP (though not in the current PPR forum) I have sung the praises of my highly multi-cultural neighborhood with people from all over the world. It is just so much easier for autistic people to get along with other people in a highly multicultural neighborhood than in a culturally homogeneous neighborhood!

Currently, in both the PPR and News sub-forums (and occasionally the "Autism Politics, Activism, and Media Representation" sub-forum), I've often felt like I was dealing with a bunch of covert neo-Nazis who aren't allowed to express their views directly but are constantly talking around them, e.g. by griping obsessively about SJWs. I think it would be good if I and others could debate against the very heart of their ideology (the goal of cultural homogeneity) in a forum where they were also free to try to defend their goal (of cultural homogeneity) directly.

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I live in a city that works like that, plus it's full of eccentrics etc. I agree, it's wonderful and both a haven and heaven for NDs, BUT there's a general attitude of live and let live and nobody can hit me over the head with an aggressive rant. When people engage in that kind of discussion they do so willingly and from a position of calm and tolerance. Unfortunately, this is not exactly the situation on WP right now, these days most people run on frustrations, a very short fuse and a bag of chips.

Like you, I don't think people should be banned solely based on their views as long as they express themselves in a civilised manner and the discussion doesn't escalate into a shouting match. As I mentioned above, I doubt that would be possible right now on this forum.

I don't like stifling free speech. I believe this nation was founded on the right to free speech.

I feel like it would be a good challenge to refute the beliefs of folks who espouse something like neo-Nazi beliefs----or espouse beliefs which were found in the Khmer Rouge and the 1960s Cultural Revolution in Red China, to state a salient example of "radical left wing" beliefs.

However, there are people here who feel traumatized by those sorts of views----for whatever reason.

At least, put a disclaimer in the PPR or News section which would serve as sort of a "trigger warning"----that there might be discussions in these subfora which might upset some people.

Thanks for saying this. I very much agree.


I disagree with the latter solution. I feel that both the News section and the public PPR section should become more friendly to people of racial/ethnic minorities, more friendly to LGBT people, and more friendly to political moderates, so that people in these latter categories can have places where they can comfortably share news and talk about their political views without constantly bumping into thinly-disguised neo-Nazi dog whistles.

That's why I propose a separate new sub-forum which would be members-only (not visible to the general public) and would have a single big trigger warning.

I agree in the necessity of a friendly, inclusive environment for all here.

I'm a political moderate myself.

As the saying goes, "Not my monkeys; not my circus." The moderators are not responsible for what people do or say away from this website, only for dealing with what people post on it. If you want to deal with "the larger social problem", then go right ahead. Don't let me stop you. Don't try to involve me in it, either.

I like the idea. There are a few issues.

Firstly, that sort of space only works if the ratios stay in check. And frankly my experience is that they tend not to. Most people find it exhausting to engage with the "deplorables" and would rather be part of healthy communities. Meanwhile, the deplorables find that they have a space they can safely operate in and they take full advantage of it. I would feel very uncomfortable allowing, for example, Nazi or ISIS propaganda to remain on a site like this one where it would be likely to radicalise vulnerable people.

Most importantly, the idea of a new forum is a non-starter. On Earth, we can never be certain whether God exists. On WrongPlanet, there is a God, his name is Alex, and he only descends from his cloud a couple of times a year in order to assure us that there is still a divine plan before immediately disappearing again. There have been no changes to forum composition in the time I have been on WrongPlanet and I don't expect this frozen accident, which certainly leaves an awful lot to be desired, to be addressed for the foreseeable future.

Right. That's the reason I proposed stricter standards for every part of the board except for the proposed new sub-forum I'm referring to as PPR-2 (hopefully someone will come up with a better name for it).


That's why, under my proposal, they still would not be totally free to say absolutely anything they want even in PPR-2. They would just be subject to a somewhat looser interpretation of the current rules.

Moreover, because the PPR-2 would be members only, they wouldn't be able to use it to post public links to (thus increase the Google rankings of) soft-core white nationalist propaganda sites, etc.


He hasn't given the moderators any contact information so they can talk to him occasionally about proposed changes?